2024 Ski - Doo

[whitedust]

I HAD a 2022 Enduro Turbo 130 that I bought from Bryan and his store last winter. No throttle lag in Standard or Sport modes - instant response. MPG was better than my wife's 1200 which is around 15 - 16 but I don't know if I got 20 mpg with it. Loved the engine - the horsepower of the turbo 130 was right in the ballpark as the 1200 but was much quicker. And it had an aggressive exhaust tone - sounded great. Key word here is HAD, since some out-of-control kid blew through a blind corner and t-boned me and totaled my sled last month.

So time to buy another or what is your thinking?

 

[pclark]

What year do you consider an old 900? would that be a 2017

I think from 2018 back (XS, and XP chassis)....they had 900s and 1200s in the 129 chassis (Mxz, Blizzard, Tnt), and the first 900 I rode was a TNT in a 120 (2015)..all Gen 4 Four strokes (2019 and newer) are in the 137 chassis....my 1200 is an MXZX in a 129
All of the pre 2019 (Gen 4) run on 87 octane

Thanks for the info Attack, mine is a 2017 REV XS, has all 3 modes, I do run 87 Octane when I do a high mileage week and can burn through each tank and did not notice any difference in acceleration, I typically ride in Standard, but Sport really has some power to it. ECO when I'm riding with slower people. 22-24 mpg in Standard at consistent speeds, lower gas mileage when running wide open on roads and long straight trails. At this point in the season I run Premium as I want that in it when it gets stored.

 

[mustardbucket2]

So time to buy another or what is your thinking?

I already picked up a 2017 Renegade 1200 and am OK with being back in the XS chassis for now (It's a warmer ride than the Gen4). Loved the 900 turbo 130 package, but after what happened to me, I'm finding it hard to spend $15K + to watch it get destroyed by someone else. Time may change that, but I'm standing pat for now.

 

[old abe]

Thanks for the info Attack, mine is a 2017 REV XS, has all 3 modes, I do run 87 Octane when I do a high mileage week and can burn through each tank and did not notice any difference in acceleration, I typically ride in Standard, but Sport really has some power to it. ECO when I'm riding with slower people. 22-24 mpg in Standard at consistent speeds, lower gas mileage when running wide open on roads and long straight trails. At this point in the season I run Premium as I want that in it when it gets stored.

pclark, I find that my 900NA Renegade gets somewhat better MPG's in Sport mode, than does it in Standard mode. However Standard mode is much more relaxing?

 

[dfattack]

We had such a limited number of these....I never got to ride one....as soon as we got one it was out the door....but it's definately got my interest...kind of bummed that they put it in the Gen 5, but NOT one 130 turbo model comes with a smart ride option for this year....the limited saddle time I have on a smart ride equipped sled showed me that it's the real deal.....should have never rode one...because now it's a must have on any sled I purchase in the future....To me the turbo 130 with smart ride would be the best trail sled on the market. I don't want to have to buy a turbo R (180 HP), or a turbo 850, or even a regular 850 to get smart ride...my two stroke days are over...and I simply don't need all that HP anymore.
If I bought a 24...I probably go with the enduro...but I really dislike the air ride on those, seen lots of issues with the air system on those through the years ....don't want to scare anybody, because the air system works great for those who carry passengers on one plus one seats, or for BIG guys who weigh over 250 lbs..it's easy to adjust for weight....just want to see the air system get replaced with smart ride, and maybe some dual rate springs on the rear shocks for those of us who use the one plus one seats for two passengers.

When you say "smart ride" do you mean smart shox?

 

[gogebic_sledder]

i ordered a backcountry adrenaline with a 600 etec, i wish they didnt limit the X models to only 850's. Otherwise i would of ordered a X.

 

[cooksend]

and thats why I'd buy the Turbo 130 (4 stroke)...just a bit more than a 600, but less than the turbo Rs...more 700 class performance (which was my choice of engine back in the day)

Gotta remember that when the 700 class was alive and well they were 120ish hp motors. That is what we have in the current 600 class.

Indy: today's 600's are solid sleds and as fast in the woods as anyone can ride! We need less models, less confusion and simplified production to keep these prices from continuously climbing.

 

[attakman]

When you say "smart ride" do you mean smart shox?

YES

 

[attakman]

Gotta remember that when the 700 class was alive and well they were 120ish hp motors. That is what we have in the current 600 class.

Indy: today's 600's are solid sleds and as fast in the woods as anyone can ride! We need less models, less confusion and simplified production to keep these prices from continuously climbing.

WRONG...most 700's were 135 to 145 HP ...think 2001 mxz 700, yamaha Viper, SRX, and Firecat...the viper was 128 to 130 depending on who's dyno you believed...but the SRX, Formula III, Mach 1, xc 700 and Firecat were both over 140....the only low HP 700 was the yamaha red hed triple (with single pipe)..those were 115 to 120 HP.

 

[SHOOT2KILL]

WRONG...most 700's were 135 to 145 HP ...think 2001 mxz 700, yamaha Viper, SRX, and Firecat...the viper was 128 to 130 depending on who's dyno you believed...but the SRX, Formula III, Mach 1, xc 700 and Firecat were both over 140....the only low HP 700 was the yamaha red hed triple (with single pipe)..those were 115 to 120 HP.

Your both right...My 1994 ZR 700 was 121hp.......My 2006 XF 700 was 140hp........

 

[cooksend]

WRONG...most 700's were 135 to 145 HP ...think 2001 mxz 700, yamaha Viper, SRX, and Firecat...the viper was 128 to 130 depending on who's dyno you believed...but the SRX, Formula III, Mach 1, xc 700 and Firecat were both over 140....the only low HP 700 was the yamaha red hed triple (with single pipe)..those were 115 to 120 HP.

The haydays for 700's was the late 90's and early 2000's. The Polaris 700 XC was about 123hp, Doo just shy of that and Cat had a dismall re-introduction of the 700 twin. Yes the Firecat was a game changer for that class bringing us to that 135 / 140 mark and arguably the hottest 700 to hit the market. About the only 700's pushing the 140 mark would have been the tripple SRX's or the occasional Mach 1. Mostly dream numbers for the Mach though. Polaris XC700 at 140hp??? Not so much.

 

[cooksend]

Your both right...My 1994 ZR 700 was 121hp.......My 2006 XF 700 was 140hp........

Gotta say you are probably right. While the 700 market fizzled in the mid 2000's the Cat 700's were rolling out with an advertised 140hp. So we have a sled or 2 in that class that made it up to that mark.

The first time I met Lenny I was on an orange 2006 Crossfire 700.

 

[indy_500]

The haydays for 700's was the late 90's and early 2000's. The Polaris 700 XC was about 123hp, Doo just shy of that and Cat had a dismall re-introduction of the 700 twin. Yes the Firecat was a game changer for that class bringing us to that 135 / 140 mark and arguably the hottest 700 to hit the market. About the only 700's pushing the 140 mark would have been the tripple SRX's or the occasional Mach 1. Mostly dream numbers for the Mach though. Polaris XC700 at 140hp??? Not so much.

Spot on.

I would just like to see Doo close the gap between the 850 and the next 2 stroke. Not expecting 140 horse anytime soon, but 130-135 would be nice. I am aware with the latest updates to the 600r etec, it’s 125-130 and a nice little ripper.

I would’ve without a doubt bought a 600 instead of my 850 if they came in a G5 for 23. But I am very happy with my 850. So smooth, and being able to cruise rail beds at 60mph at only 6k rpm is so much nicer than holding a 600 balls to the wall spinning 7-7500 rpm to maintain that speed.

With all of my riding being with family nowadays, I do NOT ride my 850, like 95% of guys ride an 850, but because of that I maintain 18 mpg, which is likely better than I’d get on a 600.

 

[snobuilder]

ski doo handling is incomparable...look all dem carbides.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Highflyer]

Spot on.

I would just like to see Doo close the gap between the 850 and the next 2 stroke. Not expecting 140 horse anytime soon, but 130-135 would be nice. I am aware with the latest updates to the 600r etec, it’s 125-130 and a nice little ripper.

I would’ve without a doubt bought a 600 instead of my 850 if they came in a G5 for 23. But I am very happy with my 850. So smooth, and being able to cruise rail beds at 60mph at only 6k rpm is so much nicer than holding a 600 balls to the wall spinning 7-7500 rpm to maintain that speed.

With all of my riding being with family nowadays, I do NOT ride my 850, like 95% of guys ride an 850, but because of that I maintain 18 mpg, which is likely better than I’d get on a 600.

95% of the guys on 850's don't ride those sleds like they could and should be on 600-650's.

 

[snobuilder]

95% of the guys on 850's don't ride those sleds like they could and should be on 600-650's.

how can you prove that? except that the small blocks will destroy the eights, eight fiftie, nine hunderts inda woods. Well known fact.
zero to 60 a nano second diff.

 

[old abe]

WRONG...most 700's were 135 to 145 HP ...think 2001 mxz 700, yamaha Viper, SRX, and Firecat...the viper was 128 to 130 depending on who's dyno you believed...but the SRX, Formula III, Mach 1, xc 700 and Firecat were both over 140....the only low HP 700 was the yamaha red hed triple (with single pipe)..those were 115 to 120 HP.

I loved my 700 MXZ's! Gave the first 800's fits!

 

[Highflyer]

how can you prove that? except that the small blocks will destroy the eights, eight fiftie, nine hunderts inda woods. Well known fact.
zero to 60 a nano second diff.

My point is that the new 850's are more lower then a lot of people need. But he'll, better bumped those to 900's soon like Polaris is rumored to be doing.

 

[hermie]

I feel the biggest disappointment from Ski Doo is they force you to by an 850 if you want the gauge smart shocks. Just doesn't make any sense to me to force people to get an 850 if you want these items. I guess they want to make people switch to Polaris or Cat. Polaris will give you want you want without buying the 850. You want a 650 and the best gauge on the market no problem we will build it

 

[indy_500]

I feel the biggest disappointment from Ski Doo is they force you to by an 850 if you want the gauge smart shocks. Just doesn't make any sense to me to force people to get an 850 if you want these items. I guess they want to make people switch to Polaris or Cat. Polaris will give you want you want without buying the 850. You want a 650 and the best gauge on the market no problem we will build it

Be careful what you wish for though, my cousin waited 18-19 months for his 22 XC650, bare bones, no accessories or additional features added. After snowchecking March of 2021, He missed all of the 21-22 season because of it, and didn’t receive until early December 2022.