Blown up rush

[Deleted member 10829]

Get the Nytro, Apex or Vector and don't worry about the engine.

Their engines are good no doubt, but you still have to ride them and hang on from the darting etc. that are well known with their suspensions.

Plus you need to know when the engine isn't getting near enough oil, which based on the amount of oil used stated above, was way too low in this case! Common sense goes a long way!

 

[Banks93]

Their engines are good no doubt, but you still have to ride them and hang on from the darting etc. that are well known with their suspensions.

Plus you need to know when the engine isn't getting near enough oil, which based on the amount of oil used stated above, was way too low in this case! Common sense goes a long way!

EPS and snowtrackers and the darting is gone. Again I would rather mess with boogie wheels, slides and small things then worry about when my engine is going to blow up on the trail. The only other sled I would even think about riding is the ski doo 1200 4 tec.

 

[srt20]

I think the reason he said the phazer is junk is cuz he is used to riding a rush suspension. Then he has to ride a phazer. The phazer isnt even in the same league suspension wise.

The phazer did run flawlessly.

Sorry I will not add oil to the gas unless the motor is new. I have never done it before and I wont start now just cuz polaris doesnt have their act together. If added oil to the gas is the only way to not blow up, I will buy another brand. My sled and the 2 ski-doo's that were with us ran perfect all weekend without adding oil.

 

[whitedust]

I think the reason he said the phazer is junk is cuz he is used to riding a rush suspension. Then he has to ride a phazer. The phazer isnt even in the same league suspension wise.

The phazer did run flawlessly.

Sorry I will not add oil to the gas unless the motor is new. I have never done it before and I wont start now just cuz polaris doesnt have their act together. If added oil to the gas is the only way to not blow up, I will buy another brand. My sled and the 2 ski-doo's that were with us ran perfect all weekend without adding oil.

Should hve been on Nytro not entry level Phaser.

 

[Polarice]

I think the reason he said the phazer is junk is cuz he is used to riding a rush suspension. Then he has to ride a phazer. The phazer isnt even in the same league suspension wise.

The phazer did run flawlessly.

Sorry I will not add oil to the gas unless the motor is new. I have never done it before and I wont start now just cuz polaris doesnt have their act together. If added oil to the gas is the only way to not blow up, I will buy another brand. My sled and the 2 ski-doo's that were with us ran perfect all weekend without adding oil.

The philosophy behind oil injection is not 100%. Again, guys that race pull the injection.

Oil is cheaper than parts. It could've saved the Rush in this case.

It's not just Polaris. Any manufacturer's engine can blow up.

 

[whitedust]

The philosophy behind oil injection is not 100%. Again, guys that race pull the injection.

Oil is cheaper than parts. It could've saved the Rush in this case.

It's not just Polaris. Any manufacturer's engine can blow up.

I don't agree with this. OEMs don't say add oil to gas also defeats EPA requirements. $10K for a new injected sled the dang thing should NOT blowup....... Just my 2 cents.

 

[Banks93]

The philosophy behind oil injection is not 100%. Again, guys that race pull the injection.

Oil is cheaper than parts. It could've saved the Rush in this case.

It's not just Polaris. Any manufacturer's engine can blow up.

Right because the guy who put 40,000 miles on his yamaha had issues or the guy who rode the new apex 24 hours and broke a record had engine problems. The only way a Yamaha has an engine issue is if the operator doesn't head the warning signs. Now you look at the others and the two smokes and you can't say the same thing. Someday people will catch on that riding your sled is alot more fun than wrenching on it.

 

[Polarice]

I don't agree with this. OEMs don't say add oil to gas also defeats EPA requirements. $10K for a new injected sled the dang thing should NOT blowup....... Just my 2 cents.

The manufacturer will also limit airflow, adjust the throttle, etc. to "idiot" proof them.

You don't find that out until you go to "tweak" them out.

Why do they pull the injection when racing?

I do agree that 10k for a sled that it shouldn't blow up. There's always and exception to the rule though.

 

[whitedust]

We are talking trail sleds here not racing sleds. A racer would never depend on oil injection & not an issue. These new injected 2s scare the heck out of me they run good until they don't then bang game over. Etek seems to be the best of the bunch, AC a no show so far & Poo CFI NOT trustworthy tooooooooo many problems like this post. You pay $10K then end up riding a rebuilt engine year 1 or 2. Not for me 4s better choice.

 

[Polarice]

When they lighten up a bit the 4 will probably be my next. Or, the direct injection that everyone seems to be fine tuning.

Though we are talking trail sleds vs. race sleds; there is still something to be said about why they won't rely on oil injection for racing.

 

[Hoosier]

What about the Phazer was junk? Did it blow up as well?

That's what I was wondering...after your brand-new Poo blows up, what could make you think a running Phazer was junk?

To give Poo a little credit, I'm sure they would run a little more oil in them if their hands weren't tied by the EPA. Not sure why Polaris seems to have so much more trouble with EFI than the Doo or Cat though. Just what I've seen.

 

[vector08]

4 Stroke is the way to go. i have been riding a yamaha the past 2 years and the motor has had nothing go wrong with it and I'm pushin 4500. I love the fourstroke becuase you dont have to worry about carrying an oil bottle with you and fill up the tank everytime you stop for gas. They also get much better mileage!

 

[srt20]

First of all, nobody knows what happened yet. I have yet to find a Polaris that is lean on oil from the factory. Most people lean the oil ratio out because they are so pig rich.

Secondly the whole 4S vs 2S means nothing whatsoever to us. Our group tried 4S a couple years ago. They are NOT for us and our style of riding. They may be the answer for others, and that great, but they dont work for us. And we also had the yamahas break down too. Not engines though.

As far as the Phazer is junk thing, Im sure he is just PO'ed that he couldnt ride his sled thats set-up for him. Nothing wrong with the phazer, it ran great, but it wasnt his and it handled very poorly, but it wasnt set for him.


Not trying to start any 4s vs 2s wars, or any brand wars. Just hoping Polaris is reading these forums, and they get their head out of their rears with these fuel mapping, snow injection, blowing up left and right issues.

You reading this POLARIS?? My 10K sled blew up and 2400 miles. This 600 Rush blew up at 1900 miles! The CHEAPER ski-doos have been perfect. Better hurry up with the fixes, before you lose even more customers!

In fact littlewagner and I had a few talks about why we still buy Polaris. The ONLY answer the we have in common is we both like our dealer. Thats it!

 

[indy_500]

2 stroke 4 life

 

[littlewagner]

As for the phazer being junk im not trying to bash it or anything. Its just not a sled for me. Yes it ran strong it was a nice motor. But the sled is just not for my kind of riding.. Suspension was not even in the same catogory as my rush and the power the phazer puts out is weak. I know its different with the other yamaha's but im talking about the phazer nothing else. Im not trying to get anything started here. Sorry but Im not some racer im a trail rider. *** should i have to be adding oil to my 2010 polaris 10k sled. that is just rediculas.. Little insurance for the motor or not I dont care it shouldent have to be done. Im by no means brand loyal.. Im not trying to stick up for polaris at all. Infact I think polaris has alot of things to get figured out real quick.. Like srt said the main reason I am with polaris is cause I like my dealer so much. And I have a skidoo dealer down the road that I refuse to go to. If that was not the case I would probably be on an etec.

 

[Banks93]

First of all, nobody knows what happened yet. I have yet to find a Polaris that is lean on oil from the factory. Most people lean the oil ratio out because they are so pig rich.

Secondly the whole 4S vs 2S means nothing whatsoever to us. Our group tried 4S a couple years ago. They are NOT for us and our style of riding. They may be the answer for others, and that great, but they dont work for us. And we also had the yamahas break down too. Not engines though.

As far as the Phazer is junk thing, Im sure he is just PO'ed that he couldnt ride his sled thats set-up for him. Nothing wrong with the phazer, it ran great, but it wasnt his and it handled very poorly, but it wasnt set for him.


Not trying to start any 4s vs 2s wars, or any brand wars. Just hoping Polaris is reading these forums, and they get their head out of their rears with these fuel mapping, snow injection, blowing up left and right issues.

You reading this POLARIS?? My 10K sled blew up and 2400 miles. This 600 Rush blew up at 1900 miles! The CHEAPER ski-doos have been perfect. Better hurry up with the fixes, before you lose even more customers!

In fact littlewagner and I had a few talks about why we still buy Polaris. The ONLY answer the we have in common is we both like our dealer. Thats it!

Ski Doo 600 etecs have had there issues as well. Buddy had is blow the motor at 1100 miles and then had to wait two months for parts. That is great service by Ski Doo. Not to mention all the issues with guys getting there sleds this year and Ski Doo canceling the orders on some of the spring 800 etecs.

I wish I could put an Apex Motor in an Polaris skid but if you want the reliability you need the weight and support. The new EPS is going to make the sled feel a lot lighter and really is awesome.

I would rather ride my sled and change the boogie wheels, do shock revalves, replace slides and put new carbides on it and never have to worry about the motor grenading on me or my family when we are on the trail. You guys need a Yamaha guy to ride with you so he can pull you to the camp when you grenade. : )

 

[littlewagner]

yeah i know etects have there problems too.. lets face it I dont care what sled you ride they are all JUNK. Polaris yamaha skidoo and cat.. The newer these sleds get the worst they get.. This thread isent about a yamaha 4 stroke motor vs a 2 stroke motor.. you wanna talk about that then go start your own thread someplace else! I like to feel somwhat decent after a weekend of riding too.. not that my back is gonna give out from such a poor suspension. You can go on to tell me the suspension on your yamaha or your cat or skidoo or polaris is great.. its a preferance. I own a rush well I think the xp is up there too.. I cant speak for cat cause I havent ridden one in a few years.. These guys I ride with all had yamaha's they know what they are talking about.. Half of you guys prolly never been on a rush or a xp or anything else... if you have well congrats.. Ill take the risk of blowing up a 2 stroke motor vs having a overweight 4 stroke.. sorry.. I love the 2 strokes.. personal opinion..

 

[Banks93]

Have you tried the 1200 4 tec?

 

[littlewagner]

When I was looking at Etec's dealer told me its not a machine for my type of riding.. Its more a touring sled... Jus what he said.. thefore I am not gonna say its a great sled or its a bad sled. same with Polaris fst although I have ridden one of them.

 

[Polarice]

Who wants to ride a touring sled!!!