You are misiing the point... these non compliant autos can be removed from the road in county & states where they are non compliant to emisson testing unless recalled & fixed. Owners as of today have no idea of what will be their emission solution and did not buy units expecting this problem. What owners do after the recall to modify is up to them nothing to do with VW meeting EPA testing standards.
Dieselgate - VW TDI
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You are misiing the point... these non compliant autos can be removed from the road in county & states where they are non compliant to emisson testing unless recalled & fixed. Owners as of today have no idea of what will be their emission solution and did not buy units expecting this problem. What owners do after the recall to modify is up to them nothing to do with VW meeting EPA testing standards.
We agree that VW commited fraud. I don't agree the EPA regs forced VW to cheat there are other ways to meet the emission requirements but VW chose a fradulent course of action. Pretty dumb choice ,imo, & still have to meet EPA regs anyway but broke the trust with their customers & EPA not a good result!
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enough with the cheating crap, not one person has said they didn't cheat,,,,,, we get it!!! They cheated! You and dcsnomo see through a set of green glasses. Both of your biggest faults is thinking peeps bought the TDI's because it's a clean diesel. The biggest selling point is the MPG than the quality and than the torque,,,,,and maybe I am a bit out of order concerning millions of people but I me for damn sure it's not mainly because it's a clean diesel. Your lucky if it being a clean diesel is 10%. I myself said I was not glad at what they did. The biggest problem will be if VW is forced to tune the vehicles to the proper emissions and the rig drops substantially in MPG's. VW should not have done what they did. The bigger root is why they did what they did and that is because of crippling environmental regulation from greenies. The greenies are destroying the economy and freedoms in more ways than VW could dream of. So if you guys wanna keep on hammering away and supporting the whacks that drive companies to do what they do than so be it, I'll just keep buying more amo so when the crap hits the fan and those that dont have want what those who do have, well,,, let's just say they'll have to depend on the environment that they so preciously protect. Cows eat grass, you'll learn to like it, maybe keep you regular!c
I'm not a tree hugger in anyway but I do think corps should sell products within prevailing laws & regs thus this issue is black & white for me. Calling this Dieselgate is a good topic title. Like Watergate there is much more detail to be revealed & where this all ends up will be very interesting. The Feds are just getting warmed up not to include private law suits coming down on VW. It will be interesting to see if many of these comments defending VW cheating will be be supportable in 6 months. I think not as public opinion will turn against VW and any other corp that is fraudlent.
I have to ask Lenny, what amount of regulation from the gov't do you want removed? People keep saying "greenies" but there are a lot of regulations that keep people (our parents, friends, children) safe. should we allow leaded gas and paints? Drop regulations from drinking water or safe food? Unfortunately we all know someone who has died from an environmental (preventable) illness, mainly carcinogens. I would consider myself an environmentalist but not really a "greenie." And why do we try to stop making our world better? I always thought we were supposed to treat Gods gifts, our environment, with respect.
snobuilder
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it is certainly heart warming to know so many of you still trust the government to be free from an anti-capitalist agenda and enjoy their cradle to grave hugs.
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really? Your gonna make me answer this? Your question implies I care little or nothing for our planet and that I don't understand the totality of mans reckless actions. So, I won't entertain your question because it's loaded and I don't have time for nonesense.
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lenny
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Where was everyone when the swill was "accidentally dumped in the river out in Co, funny how we heard little about that. I wonder what drives the selective reasoning on these types of topics?
snobuilder
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to use your analogy, VW gave the consumers somewhat unregulated super pop popcorn and the consumers loved it because it popped so big and still only took the same amount of energy to make 30% more popcorn!!!
welcome to a free America.
OK fine u want regulation then have it but don't pick and chose who and what is regulated across the board us the only fair way . and not just crippling USA regulations if u are going to totally screw the economy it has to be world wide. As fat as led paint I say make it if your kid is chewing on window ledges he will be useless to society any way
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lenny
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that is funny, now I have a visual of some little puke chowin down on a old sill will with 13 coats of paint
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The CEO of VW did not authorize the cheater cars because he was not a greenie. He did it to make more MONEY. The Chinese will never put scrubbers in their smokestacks. It would cost too much MONEY. Mr Gore didn't write his books because he believes in anything in particular. He did it to make MONEY flow his way. A lot of the EPA regs cost MONEY to implement and enforce. There is not a worldwide pollution policy in place and never will be so it costs Americans more MONEY to produce/purchase/export/import certain goods. So Americans get the shaft although they can feel good that they are doing their part to curb worldwide pollution. By the way that isn't working very well. Humans are driven by their wallets and their crotches which coincidentally have about the same zipcode. It is is simple as that.
heckler56
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Back in the early 90's I spent allot of time with environmental clean ups which afforded me exposure to scientists and the EPA. The biggest learning that came from it was, auto emissions account for less than 2% of emissions. The EPA came into power when we had the oil embargo in the 70's and auto makers became the best target and continue to garner attention. The point, corn gas, better emissions while not move the needle at all. Get us better fuel and mileage will go up and emissions go down.
To the points made earlier, off road vehicles ( sleds, mowers, construction equipment, weedwackers etc) are infinitely greater in their contribution to the problem.
If we gave them the fuel they had overseas they might not have done this. I realize it does not absolve them, but darn, gotta say it is thinking "outside" the box
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To the points made earlier, off road vehicles ( sleds, mowers, construction equipment, weedwackers etc) are infinitely greater in their contribution to the problem.
If we gave them the fuel they had overseas they might not have done this. I realize it does not absolve them, but darn, gotta say it is thinking "outside" the box
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lenny
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I get this gut feeling that you made the most sense so far,,,,,,it's always money! At least they feel better!
Please understand this was uncovered by a non-government source. Also Canada, and Europe have much worse Enviro Regs than we do here in USA. I am not anti VW, or anti diesel. I farm and truck. I hate ULS diesel fuel. Can only learn how to store and use, as it is here to stay. Much of our new tech, low emission diesels originated in Europe.
This makes me want a VW even more. Playing with the pcm tune in your car is nothing new. The after market world is flooded with tuner products. One of my trucks has been reflashed to change the shifting,air / fuel. My mpg and performance has increased. The truck goes back to the default settings before it gets tested. I could get a electric car, recharge it at home, which is powered by a coal fired power plant?
hay hay lets not generalize now not every electric car is powered by Kingsford.
remember some are powered on natural gas shot through a 16in pipe incinerating your towns trash turning a turbine .
don't forget about those clean nuclear rods
or the clean remote jet turbans
but hey u can ride around feeling smug in your government funded tesla and really is than not what it is all about ?
remember some are powered on natural gas shot through a 16in pipe incinerating your towns trash turning a turbine .
don't forget about those clean nuclear rods
or the clean remote jet turbans
but hey u can ride around feeling smug in your government funded tesla and really is than not what it is all about ?