MI Now Right To Work State!

[dcsnomo]

Right to Work-
The freedom for an employee to choose whether or not to belong to a union at his/her place of employment.

If the employee chooses to belong to the union he/she will be covered by the collective bargaining agreement. If the employee chooses not to belong he/she will not be covered. It is the employee's choice to decide if the union provides enough value to join.

Those unions that provide value will grow. Those that don't will cease to exist.

Seems fair to me.

 

[durphee]

xsledder,
i like you way you think. I kind of think we are talking the same points. Beers on me when the snow flies! I did get a little off course, it is the right to join/not join. My rant over. I gotta stop staring out the window looking for snow!

 

[whitedust]

It seems to me many expanding corps may want to be in a "Right to work state" over an "Non right to work state"...... If Right to work state is a Corporation shortlist must have requirement for expansion or relocation MI has to be considered. Lots of good skilled & non skilled MI people looking for work & plenty of empty MFG facilities to hit the ground running. IMO MI was super smart to pass this law. Jimmy Hoffa may rise from the dead over this if still in MI soil.lol

 

[98panther]

Being self employed most my life, My only Union experience is for a part time job. All seasonal part time workers, no benefits, but we had to join the Union and pay dues. Union negotiated the pay, which was good pay for the lazy. But any good worker ended getting pushed into one of 2 manager positions for a Union set 50 cent or buck increase. So if you had a brain, you had to manage for piddly more than the lazy idiots they stuck you with. The Union only negotiated the pay rate, otherwise they basically settled fights with management. Mostly making sure nobody got fired for taking a smoke break. I know that's a weird Union experience, and not the norm. But still it was a joke.

After listening to NPR debate this most of the day, Unions are in trouble regardless. No new business will come in and go Union even if this doesn't happen.
And who would take a good job, with a good union and decline to join. The other employees would run you out.

 

[snocrazy]

I read yesterday we're sending 12 F16's to Egypt as a gift!

With the current state of unrest in Egypt we are seriously sending them fighter jets!?!?!?!?!?!?!? So much for Israel. I just cant believe the stupidity. Those jets were 18 Million in 1998 for crying out loud. 216 million total value. This stuff has to stop. It kills me.... Sorry for the thread derail. This got me fired up!

 

[RVR RNR]

unions = ruining americas mfg advantage!!! To have all of the wages and benies that those unions get and then still want more more more is insane!! Mspease is spot on with the whole drinking and smoking lefties and getting jobs back with back pay. The union def helped those people get their job back!! Don't you see the problem with that?? Don't you see the problem with 4 people to do 1 persons job?? I worked at a union shop many years ago. I was told to slow down and quit working so hard. I was told that i didn't need to work that hard and i was making the other people look bad.... Then we played this game when a new forklift showed up if you were the first person to ram into the new forklift you drank for free that night. Me and another guy tag teamed this poor kid on his new forklift and got caught doing it. The union stuck up for us and we got to keep our high paying forklift jobs with not so much as a talking to.... I would have fired me for that bs.... I just don't understand how people can think that the unions are so good for workers and for america..... Just the opposite.... Only crappy workers need the unions!!!!

exactly!!! Well put!!!!

 

[polarisrider1]

Unions = ruining americas mfg advantage!!! To have all of the wages and benies that those unions get and then still want MORE MORE MORE is insane!! mspease is spot on with the whole drinking and smoking lefties and getting jobs back with back pay. The union def helped those people get their job back!! Don't you see the problem with that?? Don't you see the problem with 4 people to do 1 persons job?? I worked at a union shop many years ago. I was told to slow down and quit working so hard. I was told that I didn't need to work that hard and I was making the other people look bad.... Then we played this game when a new forklift showed up if you were the first person to ram into the new forklift you drank for free that night. Me and another guy tag teamed this poor kid on his new forklift and got caught doing it. The union stuck up for us and we got to keep our high paying forklift jobs with not so much as a talking to.... I would have FIRED ME for that bs.... I just don't understand how people can think that the unions are so good for workers and for America..... Just the opposite.... Only crappy workers need the unions!!!!

So very true.

 

[Skylar]

Commenting on the UAW workers who were caught drinking and smoking pot on break, and then going back to work. HMMM, what day was this? I sure in the **** do not want to buy a car that these fricken idiots worked on!! And they got to keep their jobs? How is that even possible? Unbelievable!

 

[ezra]

durphee,

don't think they were asking for a 20% cut, I had heard it was 8%. At any rate, a job seems better to me than no job. .

even with 2yrs of unimploymet waiting for u if u dont get what u want?

 

[polarisrider1]

Commenting on the UAW workers who were caught drinking and smoking pot on break, and then going back to work. HMMM, what day was this? I sure in the **** do not want to buy a car that these fricken idiots worked on!! And they got to keep their jobs? How is that even possible? Unbelievable!

Skylar, we got a ton of GM retirees that are younger than me tooling around the Marina in the summer time with their "Buy out Car" and hefty Severance pkg. wandering around telling me stories just like that. They did not earn any of it, they provided their time and that"s enough to most of them. Then again I have worked with some very good Union guys in the trades who were fantastic guys who earn there keep, just happens the area they work in pretty much dictates they "must" be union. Nice part of working with them is they get Porti potties on the job site and actual "breaks" (what a concept). It is always the few who make the majority look bad.

 

[98panther]

Commenting on the UAW workers who were caught drinking and smoking pot on break, and then going back to work. HMMM, what day was this? I sure in the **** do not want to buy a car that these fricken idiots worked on!! And they got to keep their jobs? How is that even possible? Unbelievable!

Not sure what that is referring too, but that is pretty much the exact story from the now closed Ford plant in the twin cities building Ford rangers

 

[ezra]

Note sure what that is referring too, but that is pretty much the exact story from the now closed Ford plant in the twin cities building Ford rangers

that was great at the highland plant all on film.but the best part is it kept happening over and over
BTW on a side note my great great grandfather sold Henry that land. ford built a small plant and was using the sand to make windshields for the model t.

 

[Deleted member 10829]

Commenting on the UAW workers who were caught drinking and smoking pot on break, and then going back to work. HMMM, what day was this? I sure in the **** do not want to buy a car that these fricken idiots worked on!! And they got to keep their jobs? How is that even possible? Unbelievable!

Skylar,

It happened a couple of years ago and the video was played over and over. I'm sure it's on youtube somewhere. The UAW fought to get them their jobs back. See article below.

http://www.torquenews.com/106/chrys...kers-caught-drinking-smoking-pot-during-lunch

 

[catalac]

And they told us they wouldn't show that to anybody!
Can't trust anybody....

 

[russholio]

It is always the few who make the majority look bad.

Thank you.

Funny how most folks on here wouldn't dream of stereotyping somebody by their skin color, religion, ethnicity, etc. (at least, not in this public forum), yet some have no problem labeling all unions as bad, and their members lazy, dope-smoking, boozing scumbags.

 

[98panther]

I don't see anyone saying that.
But the fact that any union wastes their time defending them, and won. Does say alot!

 

[Deleted member 10829]

Unions are making their own beds and have no one to blame for this "stereotyping" but themselves! Did anyone see how they behaved in Michigan the other day? Knocking down tents with women and kids inside, punching and shoving people. You may not have seen it as only Fox News shows it. Had that been a Tea Party member it would be on every station! Why always the yelling and shoving and punching? Man, those guys are angry people!

 

[russholio]

But the fact that any union wastes their time defending them, and won. Does say alot!

I definitely agree with this part of your statement. BUT...not EVERY union would defend them.

Unions are making their own beds and have no one to blame for this "stereotyping" but themselves! Did anyone see how they behaved in Michigan the other day? Knocking down tents with women and kids inside, punching and shoving people. You may not have seen it as only Fox News shows it. Had that been a Tea Party member it would be on every station! Why always the yelling and shoving and punching? Man, those guys are angry people!

I didn't see it but I heard plenty about it. I can think of many adjectives to describe it, but "moronic" works just as well as any. But again, the actions of a few does not speak for the majority. Let's look at it another way: because Ndamukong Suh is a bonehead who stomps on arms and kicks groins, is it fair to say that ALL NFL players are that way?

 

[Deleted member 10829]

It would be different if this was the first time, but they act like that every time they get together in groups. Listen to union leaders speaking lately (always for that matter), calling for "civil war" and there will be blood. All they do is attack and call names. Unions go to bank executives yards and scare innocent kids and families in their own homes, they delibarately try to interupt traffic at airports this past Thanksgiving and tried to interupt Wal Mart's Black Friday. There are many more of these stories, and it's the combination of all of this that turns the average American off to unions, IMO.

 

[russholio]

I dare say there were far more peaceful protesters than violent ones, but as always, the bad stuff that certain unions and their members do gets the publicity. And that's what the public remembers. Obviously, you and others choose to only see that, and nothing I or anybody else can say will change your mind. That's fine. But for the record, I'm proud and happy (and relieved) to say that it wasn't my (former) union that was involved in that stuff.