MI Now Right To Work State!

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russholio,

You say above you didn't see it. Why don't you google this topic and watch the many videos and stories of how they acted? I heard today where they also destroyed a hot dog vendor's cart and good people have come to his aid and raised over $20,000 for him already. Go watch the videos and read the stories.
 
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xsledder

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durphee said:
xsledder,
i like you way you think. I kind of think we are talking the same points. Beers on me when the snow flies! I did get a little off course, it is the right to join/not join. My rant over. I gotta stop staring out the window looking for snow!
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I was just pointing out that some of the studies were trying to remove the differences between states. Yes, the differences are valid points. Michelob for me first round.
 
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russholio

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mspease said:
russholio,

You say above you didn't see it. Why don't you google this topic and watch the many videos and stories of how they acted? I heard today where they also destroyed a hot dog vendor's cart and good people have come to his aid and raised over $20,000 for him already. Go watch the videos and read the stories.
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I did say that I didn't see it (and that I heard about it). I didn't say that I don't believe that it happened. I also feel, as just about everybody else with an ounce of sense does, that it was moronic.

I'm not arguing for or against unions. I personally feel they have their pluses as well as their minuses, and not all are the same, but everybody is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. What I don't respect, and what I take issue with, is being lumped into a certain category because of the actions of a few morons. Everybody knows that sensationalism sells. Did the numerous peaceful protesters make the news? No. Why? Because it's not interesting. Did A.J. Hawk make the news Monday because he didn't stomp on somebody's arm or kick them in the groin? Did hundreds of other NFL players make the news because they played the game the way it's supposed to be played, without acting like imbeciles? No. But if just ONE of them, or even several, had done something atrocious, it would be all over the news. So then, can we assume that all NFL players are idiots? I think not.

Believe it or not, I share the same concerns that many of you do about certain unions and some of the outlandish stuff that happens within them. But it's as unfair to say that ALL unions and their members are like that as it is to say that all people from Wisconsin are just a bunch of fat, cheese-eating illiterates. That's all I'm trying to say. And for the record, I am NOT saying that about Wisconsin folks, I'm simply making an analogy.
 
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whitedust

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russholio said:
I did say that I didn't see it (and that I heard about it). I didn't say that I don't believe that it happened. I also feel, as just about everybody else with an ounce of sense does, that it was moronic.

I'm not arguing for or against unions. I personally feel they have their pluses as well as their minuses, and not all are the same, but everybody is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. What I don't respect, and what I take issue with, is being lumped into a certain category because of the actions of a few morons. Everybody knows that sensationalism sells. Did the numerous peaceful protesters make the news? No. Why? Because it's not interesting. Did A.J. Hawk make the news Monday because he didn't stomp on somebody's arm or kick them in the groin? Did hundreds of other NFL players make the news because they played the game the way it's supposed to be played, without acting like imbeciles? No. But if just ONE of them, or even several, had done something atrocious, it would be all over the news. So then, can we assume that all NFL players are idiots? I think not.

Believe it or not, I share the same concerns that many of you do about certain unions and some of the outlandish stuff that happens within them. But it's as unfair to say that ALL unions and their members are like that as it is to say that all people from Wisconsin are just a bunch of fat, cheese-eating illiterates. That's all I'm trying to say. And for the record, I am NOT saying that about Wisconsin folks, I'm simply making an analogy.
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Don't worry no one thinks all unions and their members are bad people just rather have a choice than be forced to join a union. Very simply that is what a Right To Work State is all about a the right to work without being a union member if that is what you choose. Each worker can make that choice if the union brings value then Aok if not don't join. The question is how will the union react to non union members? Will the Union say Aok whatever & be a gentlemen about it or will they be be underhanded & vengeful. You tell me but I have my opinion on how that will go from past history!! lol
 
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whitedust

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russholio said:
That would be nice, but doesn't seem to be the tone of several posts in this thread.
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Sometimes posts seem more severe than they really are the next day or just later when you reread. I can't say anyone posted all unions & members are this way or that way they just said "Did you see this & that on news? TV news is TV news take what you can from it & other sources & move on think what you want, see what you saw, hear what you hear then put your view together. Don't over think it.:)
 
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russholio

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whitedust said:
Sometimes posts seem more severe than they really are the next day or just later when you reread. I can't say anyone posted all unions & members are this way or that way they just said "Did you see this & that on news? TV news is TV news take what you can from it & other sources & move on think what you want, see what you saw, hear what you hear then put your view together. Don't over think it.:)
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Maybe....hopefully....but posts like the following make me wonder otherwise:

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Unions = ruining americas mfg advantage!!! To have all of the wages and benies that those unions get and then still want MORE MORE MORE is insane!! Only crappy workers need the unions!!!!
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mspease said:
Unions are making their own beds and have no one to blame for this "stereotyping" but themselves! !
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mspease said:
It would be different if this was the first time, but they act like that every time they get together in groups. Listen to union leaders speaking lately (always for that matter), calling for "civil war" and there will be blood. All they do is attack and call names. Unions go to bank executives yards and scare innocent kids and families in their own homes, they delibarately try to interupt traffic at airports this past Thanksgiving and tried to interupt Wal Mart's Black Friday.
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No, they don't specifically say "ALL unions" but by not specifying any exceptions (certain unions, some unions, etc.), and by using such terms as "every time they get together", "All they do is attack and call names. Unions go to bank executives yards and scare innocent kids and families in their own homes, they delibarately try to interupt traffic at airports this past Thanksgiving and tried to interupt Wal Mart's Black Friday.", (again without specifying any exceptions) the implication certainly is there. And whether the anti-union people want to believe it or not, there ARE exceptions. I was in the IAFF for almost 25 years, and I promise you I never took part in, witnessed any of my fellow firefighters engaging in, nor would I condone such things.

Nonetheless, WD, you are right. I'm probably just over thinking it. I did go back and reread and found several posts, from both sides of the aisle, that were more temperate and thoughtful. Thanks for the words of wisdom!
 
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I'm a union pipefitter ,with that said,you can't say I'm anti union! I have done work in some union factory's over the years. The things I have seen,help me understand why their jobs are going overseas. Just saying...
 
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ezra

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russholio said:
What I don't respect, and what I take issue with, is being lumped into a certain category because of the actions of a few morons. Everybody knows that sensationalism sells. Did the numerous peaceful protesters make the news? No. Why? Because it's not interesting.

I for 1 am proud to be lumped in with the actions of the tea party.never a violent outburst. always clean up there protest spot to better than they found it. every big event has a huge surge of volunteers when in town.
Yet villainized buy most news outlets and the whole DFL party and there backers.
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Here's a question: How did Michigan vote for President Obama's re-election and then turn around and turn around and pass Right to Work about a month later? Seems inconsistent to me - BO had such strong union support yet the state votes for him and then goes and weakens unions about a month later. Perhaps the people in office who passed Right to Work are lame ducks on their way out.
 
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russholio

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Hoosier said:
Here's a question: How did Michigan vote for President Obama's re-election and then turn around and turn around and pass Right to Work about a month later? Seems inconsistent to me - BO had such strong union support yet the state votes for him and then goes and weakens unions about a month later. Perhaps the people in office who passed Right to Work are lame ducks on their way out.
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Can't answer that.....I sure didn't vote for him. But keep in mind, it wasn't the people who voted for RTW, it was the state legislature (yeah, I guess indirectly the people voted for it since they voted in the state legislature). Not sure about the state house and senate, but Gov. Snyder isn't lame duck -- he's only half way through his term.
 
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russholio

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ezra said:
I for 1 am proud to be lumped in with the actions of the tea party.never a violent outburst. always clean up there protest spot to better than they found it. every big event has a huge surge of volunteers when in town.
Yet villainized buy most news outlets and the whole DFL party and there backers.
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If the Tea Party's record is that clean (and I'm not saying it isn't), then you should be proud. And I wouldn't consider being villainized by certain media outlets as being a bad thing, given the political leanings of many of them.
 
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ezra said:
russholio said:
What I don't respect, and what I take issue with, is being lumped into a certain category because of the actions of a few morons. Everybody knows that sensationalism sells. Did the numerous peaceful protesters make the news? No. Why? Because it's not interesting.

I for 1 am proud to be lumped in with the actions of the tea party.never a violent outburst. always clean up there protest spot to better than they found it. every big event has a huge surge of volunteers when in town.
Yet villainized buy most news outlets and the whole DFL party and there backers.
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Most news outlets have ignored the story because it doesn't fit their narrative. Can you imagine if The Tea Party had done the exact same thing? It would be on the same news outlets non-stop. What has happened to our media? Heck, they treat the Occupiers better than the Tea Party.
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sixball

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Things that make you wonder about union.
Why don’t they want sealed voting
Why would you need to be able to put a union in to a shop in 10 days.
Why would they want union to be part of our constitution.
Lets see. Could it be that
They would like to control voting by intimidation.
People make poor decisions well they are upset .
Maybe the general worker is fed up with the chance of losing all jobs rather then working with the changing times and keeping jobs that are obsolete.
 
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Where are all of these good union leaders that should be publicly speaking out against this behavior and calling for civility and respect and for this type of behavior to stop? Their silence condones it.
 
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russholio

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Really? You're grasping at straws now. But to answer, they're probably in the same place that gun rights leaders are, who of course speak out every time crimes are committed with firearms.
 
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How is that grasping at straws? I wasn't aware we were talking about firearms.
 
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