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polarisrider1
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They had a couple. One of the hardcore Yami guys in the group rented one and it was way under powered and tippy. I rode it around at Brookes lake and it wasn't anything I would buy. Yamaha was on to the right idea, but It seems like their Heart wasn't into it. Yamaha is a very successful company and jumping into a niche market doesn't really make sense for them Is what I suspect. I see them doing a Yamicat mtn. sled in the future, far less risk on investment for them. After all, it is all about making maximum money. It is not about us.
and those red heads will still be running long after all the new junk we all are riding has long been parted out.
the red head was the most reliable 2stroke ever. just to bad U needed to bring your chiropractor with on trips.
on a side note I ripped around the neighborhood last night on a old piped red head. then got in the house only to have the war dept naw at my ars a bit about the neighbors and kids having to go to school yada yada yada
snobuilder
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If yamaha does this I'd like to see something new from one end to the other. Sled chassis have coppied the same pattern for 50 years.
I don't think fit and finish of appearance ...ie; shiny plastic panels that mimic a lexus matter to the guys who get up close and personnal with trees, brush, rocks etc...fit and finish as far as structure, ease and cost of replacable parts and durability is another thing.
Get rid of the hood and tunnel concept a building sleds and move to tubular cage design that can take a lickin and keep rolling....or be easily repaired...K.I.S.S....need baha, yamaha is autobahn....is a snowflap that turns into a shovel asking too much?...LOL
I love my 4 strokes but IMO for tech riding a dependable 4 stroke would need to be within 20#'s of a 2 stroke to be worth having....2 strokes can be built to last 10K so maybe a rebuild after that kind of miles isn't too bad....truth be known, there are alot of "wear $$ items" that need replacing to keep them bullit proof yamaha 4 strokes trail worthy up to 10k miles and beyond.
I often wonder....can an engine be TOO good for a sleds lifespan?
I don't think fit and finish of appearance ...ie; shiny plastic panels that mimic a lexus matter to the guys who get up close and personnal with trees, brush, rocks etc...fit and finish as far as structure, ease and cost of replacable parts and durability is another thing.
Get rid of the hood and tunnel concept a building sleds and move to tubular cage design that can take a lickin and keep rolling....or be easily repaired...K.I.S.S....need baha, yamaha is autobahn....is a snowflap that turns into a shovel asking too much?...LOL
I love my 4 strokes but IMO for tech riding a dependable 4 stroke would need to be within 20#'s of a 2 stroke to be worth having....2 strokes can be built to last 10K so maybe a rebuild after that kind of miles isn't too bad....truth be known, there are alot of "wear $$ items" that need replacing to keep them bullit proof yamaha 4 strokes trail worthy up to 10k miles and beyond.
I often wonder....can an engine be TOO good for a sleds lifespan?
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cooksend
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For me to jump on a Yami built mountain steed it would have to be different and at least as good as the best out now! Give me a DFI Tripple SRX motor pumping around the 160hp mark and weighing in at 450# or less. I can tell you that listening to that motor ripping up a valley would send shivers down my spine! Throw some compression adjustable shocks all the way around and a 36 - 38" adjustable ski stance. Build it in a black base and let me choose the graphics package of choice or leave it alone! Lots of money being spent on high end machines these days so let them be personalized! Maybe top it off with a 3 position forward to backward steering post and I just may give up the Pro!
Indy 500,
This is no dig but the Viper is selling for under 12 grand and a hundred bucks over 12 grand on the XTX SE model. Just want people to know the true price of the Viper. For the material of the unit it's pretty good price compared to the competition. Thanks for all the input, it's great!!
This is no dig but the Viper is selling for under 12 grand and a hundred bucks over 12 grand on the XTX SE model. Just want people to know the true price of the Viper. For the material of the unit it's pretty good price compared to the competition. Thanks for all the input, it's great!!
I was kidding goofy.
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lenny
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the Yamaha Mtn Lite was not as attempt to compete in the Mtn riding segment. The name was Mtn Lite and was intended for lite Mtn use or small stuff. Does anyone really think a sled manufacturer would produce a 565 pound sled with 80 hp and say here you go guys, steep and deep all day dudes. Come on Wayne, get with the program my friend!
They have had 4 stroke RX1 Mtn sled in 2003, it was much more capable but still lacking greatly with the nose dive situation. Give it a little momentum and the balance was real good but not suitable for slow maneuvering through the trees. Weight is the factor why the sled is incapable but put it in an open area and they shine. You'll see lots of turbo and super charged Yammis for high marking, they still rule the roost for the high mark and shoots although the turbo 2 stroke is here to stay now
I can't afford to lose dependability, most of my trips have been ruined with 2 stroke burn downs. Bought a 2013 xtx from Chad at m and m last Feb on one of my trips because of another burn down. There a little heavier but who cares there not bad off trail and they really go on trail, man up people there not that much heavier. I really look forward to getting more the 4000 mile out of a motor!
momoney2123
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I can't afford to lose dependability, most of my trips have been ruined with 2 stroke burn downs.
How do people burn down so many sleds? I have seen my share over the years but they were always drag racing long distances and jetted lean and mean knowing the chance of burning down, but was worth the risk to win the race LOL. If your burning down new sleds at that rate, you have to be doing something wrong. I cant speak for AC's or poo's, but besides the mxz 700's in 2000 and the 05 mach z, thru tens of Rev's, XP's, and XPS's 800's and 600's in our group not one has had engine trouble especially complete engine seize. I'm sure yamaha or AC(if they supplied the 2 stroke engines to yamaha) will be fully capable of lasting much longer than 4000 miles.
How do people burn down so many sleds? I have seen my share over the years but they were always drag racing long distances and jetted lean and mean knowing the chance of burning down, but was worth the risk to win the race LOL. If your burning down new sleds at that rate, you have to be doing something wrong. I cant speak for AC's or poo's, but besides the mxz 700's in 2000 and the 05 mach z, thru tens of Rev's, XP's, and XPS's 800's and 600's in our group not one has had engine trouble especially complete engine seize. I'm sure yamaha or AC(if they supplied the 2 stroke engines to yamaha) will be fully capable of lasting much longer than 4000 miles.
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I'm not sure why I burn down all the time, all 800's and all stock I guess I just have bad luck I don't like to see anybody burned down on trips! I guess all I was stating too is that you pay on the upwards of 14000.00 and if you make it to 5000 miles you should do a top end anyway, to each is to own I liked all my 2 stroke sleds they just let me down one to many times that's all.
momoney2123
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I mean ya I agree No one likes seeing people with smoked engines on a trip, thats nutz that you were burning down new sleds, especially trail riding. I guess I can't blame ya then for buying a 4 stroke. If I bought a brand new 800 and smoked it trail riding I would be extremely disapointed too. Hope it never happens haha. But sorry for getting a little off topic, back to the orginal thread
misty_pines
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I am still waiting for any sled maker, Yamaha or anyone else, to make a light weight 4 stroke turbo crossover and mountain sled with close (within say 30 lbs) of a 2 stroke 800. The key is a light weight reliable turbo. Turbo charged because it wouldn't lose power at high elevation and there would be no (or minimal need) for clutching changes for high elevation vs. midwest riding. That would be the ticket for me and I think would sell like crazy for us types that like to ride off trail in the midwest and ride in the mountains a time or two per year. I gotta think sled makers have thought of this.
anonomoose
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Burn downs can happen for a variety of reasons, including bad fuel, cracked boots, plugged jet, etc. It happens because the nature of this motor requires the right fuel with the right oil getting to all parts of the friction points over the life of the motor. When any of these, or combinations occur, the motor is toast. This means a guy on the trip is out of a sled, towing out of the woods, for the most part a blown day is something we all avoid....and factually, if you have been thru this problem at least once, then the worst sled that is RUNNING is better than the super duty gee whizzer that has become a boat anchor.
Yamaha got out of the 2 stroke business because it won't meet Federal regulations which is an effort to clean up emissions in EVERYTHING that consumes fuel.
While I commend Yamaha for building the MT Light model, it was their first attempt at it and if they went at it again, and put that machine on a serious diet, dropping say 125....the characteristics of this sled would be way different and would be a viable candidate for many on this forum. I believe it can be done....and history is just that....history, what it was and not necessarily where we are going.
Build it and they will beat a path to your doorstep. But build it so that it hits the center of the target and not off in the edge ring.
We don't know how you have not burned down either with doos 2s from 2000 on? We were introduced to Mr.Doo 800 bad crank seals & flaking rings in 2002 & 2003 800 bone stock sleds at about 3,900 miles. Both engines were junk but were very well maintained & replaced after meltdowns for big bucks. We both bought Yamaha 4s do oil & filter gas & go sled no engine probs what so ever. Only thing I can think is you sell the doo sleds before the 4,000 mile mark so don't own when they melt. I know how it feels when you read about engine problems that others have you think "What that doesn't happen to me"? Until it does then you go "crap I should have paid more attention to those threads".lol Been there done that.lol No worries with Yamaha 4s engines & good luck with your doos maybe it won't happen to you.
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Didn't you have a Mtn Lite Lenny or what Yamaha off trail sled was that you had? Did you like it?
momoney2123
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I mean I hear ya anonomomoose, but these things(Burn downs can happen for a variety of reasons, including bad fuel, cracked boots, plugged jet, etc.) are rare, especially on new sleds, given that there arent many engines with carbs anymore at least doo's, cracked boots usually are olllldd and rotted, and bad fuel is either stupidity or bad luck buying bad gas. So If i bought a brand new 2 stroke over and over like twistgrip says, the things you mentioned are out of the question. Bad gas multiple times? Cracked boot on new sled? No jets to plug? I mean all 800's are oil injected so mixing isnt an issue. I'm pretty certain the etecs retard the timing for bad gas or low octane as many times some in our group have put 87 in and ran it without issues, and I would assume other manufactures do the same. I duno twist has terrible luck it sounds, prolly a good call getting a 4S