New Apex was sighted!!!

[whitedust]

Weight doesn't bother me....I'm a trail rider (and a few forest service roads)...and the EPS erases the weight argument IMO...off trail/powder riding different story

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BTW...the "NEW APEX"...that was seen....is not in this years line-up

Weight on trails not noticable to me but forget about bench pressing any Apex or Vector. Apex handling not a throw around machine like 2s axys ..buy what you want but apples & oranges comparo axys 2s to Apex or Vector 4s. Very different sleds but both good at what they do.

 

[Hoosier]

Not sure on Vectors but 2011 -2015 Apex SE & Apex XTX very different xtx sits much higher while SE is more sit in... I could feel this when sleds are side by side....plus tape measure will show big difference in height as well including sit in. 2011 Apex raised seat height but not sure by how much. Vector has had different skid than Apex now both the same so sit in seat height is a good question for 2016 models.

I don't know what year his vector is but it does have eps

 

[whitedust]

I don't know what year his vector is but it does have eps

eps released on 2011 Apex not sure when on Vector. Seems all on same skid now in 2016 so sit in maybe very well the same on 146 & 129 models.

 

[cmharcou]

Good deal my 11EPSXTX apex still looks like a 2016!

 

[Banks93]

Weight doesn't bother me....I'm a trail rider (and a few forest service roads)...and the EPS erases the weight argument IMO...off trail/powder riding different story

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BTW...the "NEW APEX"...that was seen....is not in this years line-up

You obviously are jaded blue. I have owned both and YES, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

The Apex was nice on the lake but the steering and weight of the Apex is it's biggest issue. The Vector with EPS was better but didn't have the Apex motor. The Viper with a turbo and EPS would be a good idea but who wants to spend $16,000 on that sled when you can have it for $12,000.

Ride that Apex on 150-250 mile trip of washed out trails in the UP and tell me how that weight doesn't matter. If you had an R-Motion skid you would know the difference in a hurry.

Anyone who makes the statement you made truly is jaded blue.

 

[old abe]

Seems as Yami is out of the "new" chassis business again. It appears the train has left the station.

 

[whitedust]

You obviously are jaded blue. I have owned both and YES, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

The Apex was nice on the lake but the steering and weight of the Apex is it's biggest issue. The Vector with EPS was better but didn't have the Apex motor. The Viper with a turbo and EPS would be a good idea but who wants to spend $16,000 on that sled when you can have it for $12,000.

Ride that Apex on 150-250 mile trip of washed out trails in the UP and tell me how that weight doesn't matter. If you had an R-Motion skid you would know the difference in a hurry.

Anyone who makes the statement you made truly is jaded blue.

So how does 129 & 146 Yamaha Single Shot skid performance compare to R-motion..."a loaded question"... you & I don't know?! Geez give something new a chance before you condem it. It could be a brick it could be cushy no way to know until I can demo or we get some feed back from seat of someones pants. Talk about being jaded. lol

 

[whitedust]

Seems as Yami is out of the "new" chassis business again. It appears the train has left the station.

You are funny what OEM has a new "Chassis"? They all have been tweaking & improving the same platform for years now. Why get on Yamaha for doing the same thing Doo & Poo have been doing?

 

[Attak man]

You obviously are jaded blue. I have owned both and YES, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

The Apex was nice on the lake but the steering and weight of the Apex is it's biggest issue. The Vector with EPS was better but didn't have the Apex motor. The Viper with a turbo and EPS would be a good idea but who wants to spend $16,000 on that sled when you can have it for $12,000.

Ride that Apex on 150-250 mile trip of washed out trails in the UP and tell me how that weight doesn't matter. If you had an R-Motion skid you would know the difference in a hurry.

Anyone who makes the statement you made truly is jaded blue.

What apex did you own?? I don't notice the weight as much on my xtx as I did on the shorties...is the skid the difference? And yes...the r motion is nice...but any 2011 or newer sled will seem like a dream to anybody riding an 08 and older sled...I put 450 miles on two weeks ago in the yoop...and we hit a mix bag of good, bad and ugly trails...and I wasn't sore at all...to each their own...but I can see and feel the improvements in this apex vs the older ones....now...they get a new skid...and it looks promising...I guess we'll see...Yamaha definitely needed to improve their mono...it was a short coming for many people...and for others the xtx skid is too stiff...I feel it's a bit stiff...but I like it..I can roll through junk at speeds I wouldn't even try on my Attak...the apex isn't perfect, and they aren't for everybody...but I sure like mine.

 

[Deleted member 10829]

You are funny what OEM has a new "Chassis"? They all have been tweaking & improving the same platform for years now. Why get on Yamaha for doing the same thing Doo & Poo have been doing?

Poo was more than a tweak with the Axys. 93% new parts and 38 lbs lighter. Much more than a tweak I'd say!!

 

[groomerdriver]

Poo was more than a tweak with the Axys. 93% new parts and 38 lbs lighter. Much more than a tweak I'd say!!

X2 on the AXYS being new and I'll leave some other particular thoughts to myself. My dream sled is now an AXYS chassis with the Vector EFI motor/drivetrain in it.

 

[Pizza Man]

I've been gone this afternoon, so I have to get things right-
I was a Polaris guy for many, many years and decided in 08 to try a Yamaha Apex.
I like my Apex LTX but it is a 08 and some improvements have been made to them over the years.
Being 72 years old, I'm tried of the weight of the sled along with the ride/heavy steering.
Sure I can get a new one with PS but have to pay way more then I want to.
Also to get one thing straight- I stated I was going to get a 600 Axys not a 800.
I'm checking around with the Poo dealers as they have some left over. I'll either decide on get a leftover or wait until next fall and get a new one

 

[snobuilder]

From reports I have seen and my personal sleds, the 800 HO get better mpgs than the 600.
My 800 gets 14 to 16 and does better or same when side by side with the 2011 Apex .
Resale will be better as well.
The 600 is proven and the 800 HO is proving itself this season.

 

[whitedust]

Poo was more than a tweak with the Axys. 93% new parts and 38 lbs lighter. Much more than a tweak I'd say!!

I guess I knew this would light you up & other Poo fans as well but the roots to Axys are in Rush 1 & 2 axys went to composite parts so yes different parts if that means new but design very simular to Rush 1 & 2. Lots of mags say Axys is getting the Rush right but took a few years...so new not so much imo. I have not seen any OEM clean sheet new chassis design since rev XP & Rush then tweak tweak tweak with those. Yamaha did a terrible job marketing 2011 Apex new platform with eps. Everything changed much like the axys but Yamaha did not explain nuts & bolts to the world they just invited mags to test ride & instead of explaning improvements to the world they asked..... well what do you think feel lighter or what? ...lol... We have a game changer 1st to market with eps....FLOP!! Took me a year to find out the redesign of deltabox 2 chassis....& that is on Yamaha marketing. Poo did a very good job marketing the axys & I give them credit where credit is due but the axys design is just not new to me just a evolvement of the Rush imo just like all the oems.

 

[whitedust]

I've been gone this afternoon, so I have to get things right-
I was a Polaris guy for many, many years and decided in 08 to try a Yamaha Apex.
I like my Apex LTX but it is a 08 and some improvements have been made to them over the years.
Being 72 years old, I'm tried of the weight of the sled along with the ride/heavy steering.
Sure I can get a new one with PS but have to pay way more then I want to.
Also to get one thing straight- I stated I was going to get a 600 Axys not a 800.
I'm checking around with the Poo dealers as they have some left over. I'll either decide on get a leftover or wait until next fall and get a new one

Just make sure you test ride light sleds are fun & flickable ..not boring...but rider needs to put effort into a sled like that to fully enjoy. eps is point & shoot much less effort to enjoy kick back comfort on an all day ride. Just saying select your sled by seat of your pants & be honest with yourself regarding your personal riding style. I have these talks with myself all the time to keep it real & to 1 sled purchase. lol

 

[old abe]

Not to be getting on Yami, but I had a feeling when the CAT deal went through, that something had changed. Then they said they would have a "all new" sled. I'm just loosing faith.

 

[whitedust]

Not to be getting on Yami, but I had a feeling when the CAT deal went through, that something had changed. Then they said they would have a "all new" sled. I'm just loosing faith.

Still 2 more years to 5 year plan but nice that Yami improved both Apex & Vector this year which means pure yamaha Japan built sleds are here to stay. Will Yamaha pull back from AC or buy them?... impossible to know unless in board room. The core Yamaha sled owners are encouraged by tweaks to Apex & Vector & there really were many improvements to Vector suspension & engine too much to discuss here so go to Yamaha site for Vector engine details. You may have a different opinion after that.

 

[old abe]

You can forget Yam buying CAT deal. CAT pride runs way to deep. Core CAT people still running Co. It will not happen.

 

[whitedust]

You can forget Yam buying CAT deal. CAT pride runs way to deep. Core CAT people still running Co. It will not happen.

Every biz has a price & stock holders go to the bank happy really not up to core cat peeps as you put it. Anywho.... to your 1st post regarding new products I'm thinking 4 holer the Apex engine may be dead in 2 years. The reason I think this is Yamaha threw lots of money at 130 improvements the 3 cylinder Vector engine this year & Vector has always been in hand me down Apex chassis. So if all new Apex coming probably will be all new engine too but Vector engine will go in todays chassis until Yamaha graduates it to whatever becomes the new Apex. Makes sense to me & the way Yamaha does stuff.

 

[buddah2]

You can forget Yam buying CAT deal. CAT pride runs way to deep. Core CAT people still running Co. It will not happen.

I wouldn't bet the mortgage on that if I were you........the new Pres has the look and feel of an investment banker......you know the old saying: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........

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Still 2 more years to 5 year plan but nice that Yami improved both Apex & Vector this year which means pure yamaha Japan built sleds are here to stay.

Never lose sight of the fact that Yamaha's JPN supply chain got severely crippled by the earthquake and tsunami......it's taken and taking some serious time for everything to completely recover over there.......