Occupy Wall Street???

gary_in_neenah

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Staff member
Not sure where to begin here, there's so much on the table here.

My first thought is in response to "we have never fought a defensive war".

Two dates come to mind. December 7th, 1941 and Sepember 11th, 2001. Both examples of when our country was attacked and history shows that we responded appropriately in both cases.

And I'm not a terrorist, I'm a tax payer.
 

racerxnet

New member
Two dates come to mind. December 7th, 1941 and Sepember 11th, 2001. Both examples of when our country was attacked and history shows that we responded appropriately in both cases.

And I'm not a terrorist, I'm a tax payer.

Who EXACTLY was it that attacked us on 9/11/11? Drum roll please.... Uhhh, someone with the yet to find nuclear weapons.. Oh boy, most were supposedly from Saudi Arabia that were on the plane. Oh wait. the prouder n crap drop 2 on Japan. Damn slant eyes. Of course it was appropriate we nuked them. How about all the DUI left behind as well as all the unexploded ordinance. How about we ship that to your back yard and let the kids play in it.
 
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lenny

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"On a last note, we all need to take this country back by whatever means available" ,,,,,,,,


so you are suggesting violence is a viable means in response to the injustices you noted. Surly violence fits into "whatever means available," Right? and we do see it occurring in OWS. You mention how dissatisfied you are with wars but yet you condone violence as a means with OWS. So you write the rules stating the US is wrong to force their ideals on a vicious people who deliberately kill Americans but yet you support "whatever means available." Obviously you are bothered by opponents of OWS. Have you ever considered organizing with efficiency. Writing up a plan and getting support because I can assure you there is not shortage of support. If you want your voice to be heard and desperately want change, don't discredit yourself and lower your ideals to violence which is illegal but keep you cool and be persistent. If there is truth in the concerns, which there are, than don't throw it all away with acts that lead to discrediting the movement. Keep your cool and be the spokesman for a local like minded group. I am sure you do not like the tea party but they followed the rules and got recognized and have a place in the political arena and play a big role now in the election.

"What have you done for your fellow patriots"

We get up every morning and contribute to our own prosperity earning a respectable living. We blame nobody for our own condition for life is a series of decisions. We applaud the opportunity to be as good as we can be. If we are driven we strive. If we are content than so be it. We do not demand others to give us what is not ours, that is theft. I suppose your position of "whatever means available" could include stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, but than again that is illegal.


OWS has a poor track record and is not being heard and the blame is their own. There is merritt on some of what they stand for but everything in society has a systematic approach to change and OWS does not understand that. I agree, the system is broken and I want change but do not blame capitalism. Don't come in here spewing crap about service people because you have no clue. They follow orders and NEVER dispute the order. They give their lives to protect weather you like it or not. Next time you see 3000 American people die because the are Christian and embrace Democracy don't insult the people who willfully follow orders to respond with force. Instead, follow the systematic approach to be heard other wise you are have no voice. Circumventing the system only set you back and pins a sign on your head saying "dummy" (not you personally.) A wise person learns to discipline themselves and makes know their dissatisfaction with the hopes of change. OWS is like a bull in a china cabinet accomplishing nothing except chaos. You see,,,, I don't say this to insult you because you are my american brother (or sister) and we are united in that. The system becoming broken wasn't forced but rather evolved because of money. Money itself is not the problem but rather the greedy people who will stop at nothing to have more money, remember, "money is the root of all evil." Have we not seen enough that we all can agree on this? Keep in mind other scriptural passages that expound on this concept building a consistent understanding that it's not the money but rather the condition of the heart with the presence of money. I've said enough and I hope you somewhat understand my position. Not asking you to agree but hope you better understand weather I am right or wrong. No change on any level will come about as long as anger drives the heart, can we agree on that?
 
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lenny

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come on Ezra, you can do it bud,,, keep your cool, I have faith in you :rolleyes:
 

racerxnet

New member
Lenny,

Your position is lame, based on straw statements.

so you are suggesting violence is a viable means in response to the injustices you noted. Surly violence fits into "whatever means available," Right? and we do see it occurring in OWS.

I see violence committed on a daily basis by a run away government who answers to the few. Link to Operation Fast and Furious.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html

How about the drugs for money in the Iran-Contra affair
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/index.htm

I was just following some dumb order sir.......


you write the rules stating the US is wrong to force their ideals on a vicious people who deliberately kill Americans

Are they asking us for democracy. Are we seeing blow back from our intervention No and Yes are the correct answers. Afghanistan could not be won by the Soviets and will not be won by the US. What exactly are we fighting for over there. What were we doing in Iraq and what for? Facts please!!! What exactly have the middle East people done to us at home. 750 bases abroad while our borders are unprotected.

I suppose your position of "whatever means available" could include stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, but than again that is illegal.

Another strawman position based on assumption. But the top have taken all of us to the cleaners in more ways than we know. Of course legally from a political viewpoint.

BAC moves toxic waste onto the taxpayer. All 75 Trillion
http://1723news.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/480/

Inflation and debasement of the US dollar robs us all. Fiat money based on thin air is all theft from the poor to the rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCYZ14Ti4vc

Don't come in here spewing crap about service people because you have no clue. They follow orders and NEVER dispute the order.
Clues are all around us, you just need to open your eyes. See the facts above on Iran-Contra and Fast and furious to just name 2.

you are suggesting violence is a viable means in response to the injustices you noted. Surly violence fits into "whatever means available," Right? and we do see it occurring in OWS.

More violence has occurred from government and police officials regarding the OWS. How about our 2 tour veteran shot in the face point blank. The war on the Indians, The war on Negroes.

I am sure there is some violence on both sides of the fence, and both are to blame. I often wonder if some of the bad publicity is not started by infiltrators as well. Main stream media is trying to marginalize the movement and it has not gone away. It has held on and grown throughout the world. Spain, Greece, and Italy come to mind. I provided factual data for my position instead of assumptions of others positions. The internet and technology has taken the vale off the world for others to see the naked truth. Look around Lenny and learn. I don't know you Lenny and do not make assumptions of your position as you have done to me. We are in this all together.

P.S. the Tea Party is a lame duck.
 
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lenny

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racer, "I am sure there is some violence on both sides of the fence, and both are to blame." Sounds like an assumption to me my contradicting little buddy. Your statements have enough conspiracy theory crap that it's not worth the time and headache, talk about assumptions,,,, shessh,,,,,

lets just cut to the chase. I'll spare you all my propaganda and you TELL me who attacked us on 9-11
 
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lenny

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thanks Frank, I got the quote wrong but the context right, usually it's the other way around,,,,,he he he


Well, not quite.
The actual quote is: "The love of money is the root of all evil."

("The love of money" = greed?)
 

Firecatguy

New member
wow I am walking away.........have a friend who thinks 911 was inside job and he is a Nut job in my mind!!!!!!crazy how some think the govt is the evil of all evils....yes our freedomes are getting taken away one by one but getting a pat down in the airports is not a big deal (dont like it dont fly) their is a real threat out there and the way to stay safe is to give pat downs well HAVE AT IT.......you can always drive your car......
 

doospunk

Active member
"""Afghanistan could not be won by the Soviets and will not be won by the US. What exactly are we fighting for over there."""

Honestly? Dude..., you witnessed over 2000 of your countrymen (men/women/children) wiped away within a matter of seconds by a select few who decided to go on the offensive, declaring "Jihad" on US soil. Remember 09/11?

Look - You have every right to think what you wish, and express your opinions. THat's what's great about the country you live in. YOu state that the US is no longer a beacon of freedom, and that all "your" freedoms are being eroded from within!..........If that's the case, then pack your bags and leave. No one's holding you back. Be sure to let us all know where you land that allows you the same freedoms you enjoy today.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
There are people who think we never landed on the moon just a big gov scam. Everyone needs to sort out current events & form their own opinion no matter how wacky it maybe.LOL.:)
 

snocat_02

New member
Racer:
For those who do not serve, it is easy to condem the ones who do take the orders and put their life on the line. The reason you are able to babble your pysco bull**** is because a long time ago there were a few guys with the idea that they wanted freedom of speach. Those are the guys that stood up and said follow me. Those are the guys that defended this country to start a new world with more opportunities and freedoms. Now you and your pack rat little buddies take those freedoms and mock the country that has given you those freedoms. The country that protects you.

I would like to know who you think flew the plans into the towers? Let me guess, it was all planned out by the government right? To start a war for no apparent reason.

I may not like our soldiers over in the middle east. I think it may be time to get out. I guarantee you that every day that I wake up I am thankful for them being there.



Who do you think took down the towers? Who do you think deserves to pay?
 

Admin

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Staff member
There are people who think we never landed on the moon...

Oh yes we did. How do you think Sasquatch got here!? :confused: They brought him back in the second lunar landing and then he escaped! I have eyewitnesses!!!

Oh, and while we're at it, I watched a show on Discovery, or History or one of those good cable outlets gone-to-the-toilet that there is no gold left in Fort Knox, so you better start stockpiling your means to survive now, we are all headed for financial collapse!

-John
 

doospunk

Active member
No facts, No links, Just a bunch of flag waving fat Americans who drink the koolaid. Gotta love it.

And your facts come from where??? All I've seen is a book from 1935, some youtube videos, online news articles, and your personal opinion. Who drinks the koolaid?

....and BTW - I'm not fat, but I am a flag waving American. :D
 
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fusion

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RacerX Rant

Quite possibly you would be happier and less ill at ease living in Red China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, or maybe France, Greece or Spain.
Lord knows these country's are far better examples of democracy, freedom and capitalistic societies, where people have more freedoms and opportunities for employment.

Given the length of the title post, there obviously isn't enough time to right all those wrongs, and decorum precludes me from making any attempt here. We aren't perfect, be we're WAY ahead of who's in 2nd place.
 
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