Off trail coming to an end!!!

[chevytaHOE5674]

Get a plat book, it has a list of the landowners. Then you can look them up at the courthouse to get contact information. Do it all the time for snowmobiling and hunting spots, also do it to find landowners who have timber that they could sell.

As far as "the bluff" in South Range last I knew the owners didn't want people back there, and even talked to the sheriff about it. Maybe Lori from WLRC's can straighten that out.

Power lines often cross private land so you need to get permission before riding there.

 

[olsmann]

Let me see if I understand what you are saying.

Get permission to use the land from the land owner first. If you choose not to get permission, feel free to tear it up and destroy anything you want then just make sure not to talk about it or take any videos of it and tell everyone that your Summit is for trailriding only.

Is that what you are saying???

No, Im saying people need to get premission and know where you are riding first an foremost. And secondly stop bragging about where you ride and how great it is because then everyone else decides to do it. And they go out and ride on property they dont have premission to ride. Stop posting videos and pics and encuraging others to backcuntry ride. Its way to easy for idiots to just follow a track off trail and not realize they are on property they are not suppose to be on. And in no way shape of form did i say tear up and destroy anything so dont put those words in my mouth. What I did say is for somone to show me even the smallest bit of evidence how a snowmobile caused any damage to the woods of the UP from their backcountry riding. (aside from riding over new seedlings or plantings)

Im saying all the people bragging about back country riding has led to an explosion of people doing it and doing it irresponsibly.

 

[olsmann]

So not to be a smart _ss but who do you ask ,and is there any maps of off trail spots that are ok to ride in
I'm a flatlander thats want to try off trail but you boys got me afraid to turn off the trail .now just like many of us
I ride the bluff in south range and play on the power lines but I was told by many it's ok to go back there

Start by buying Plat books for the areas you want to ride in. They show who owns the land, then go fron there and seek premission. And once you get your own spots that you have premission to ride or have researched as being legal, you will understand why you wont wann tell others about it. Also become friends with locals, there are quite a few business owners up there that take guests out with them and ride on lands that they have premission to use. Or hire a guide service, there is a good one affiliated with this site.

 

[Chicago Boy]

Thanks for the info I know it's hard to put good spots up on a site The problem is for guys like me I would take the time to call and ask if its ok to ride but looks like some guys just don't care
But as long as we keep talking about it it might just get better I even learned something today

 

[Mark@TimberlineSports]

It's not your land. It is belongs to EVERYONE. And as a collective whole, we are entitled to that land being used in a responsible manner, not trashing it. I have refused to join SAWS, BRC etc due to their unlimited support of ATV/UTV/OHV use. Sorry, but these machines trash the land which is unacceptable to me. Wilderness and forests are supposed to be exactly that. Not torn up playfields. I have fought to convince snowmobile clubs to keep trails from being turned over to ATV's in the summer. Thankfully more clubs in MN are realizing what a bad idea that is and actually trying to prevent ATV use on their trails in the summer.

btw, I am an ATV owner too.

I dont think you realize the big picture. BRC, SAWS, and other like minded orginazations are trying to protect our rights to use land for recreational purposes. I dont care if it is an ATV, snowmobile, Jeep, mountain bike or even horse back riders.

"It's not your land. It is belongs to EVERYONE. And as a collective whole, we are entitled to that land being used in a responsible manner, not trashing it" First off we are not ENTITLED to anything. You may think that it belongs to everyone, but the government still dictates what happens on that land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness_Act

Being a snowmobiler and an ATV owner I would think that instead of using your resources to make it harder for ATV trails you would try to come up with better solutions for multi-use trails. Do you really think that if you got your way and there were no ATV trails that snowmobile trails would not be on the chopping block next?

-Mark
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[EXCESSIVE FORCE]

Kind of ironic...
ALGORE fights everything he can as an eviromentalist wacko,and then goes and invents the internet..The very tool being used to post all these wonderful boondocking threads/pictures/videos that are apparently destroying the very thing he's fighting to save....LOL.....YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP..!!!!LOL....................

 

[lenny]

No, I'm saying people need to get permission and know where you are riding first an foremost. And secondly stop bragging about where you ride and how great it is because then everyone else decides to do it. And they go out and ride on property they don't have permission to ride. Stop posting videos and pics and encouraging others to backcountry ride. Its way to easy for idiots to just follow a track off trail and not realize they are on property they are not suppose to be on. And in no way shape of form did i say tear up and destroy anything so don't put those words in my mouth. What I did say is for someone to show me even the smallest bit of evidence how a snowmobile caused any damage to the woods of the UP from their back country riding. (aside from riding over new seedlings or plantings)

I'm saying all the people bragging about back country riding has led to an explosion of people doing it and doing it irresponsibly.

you are absolutely correct and I for one am gonna follow more along the lines of what you and chevytahoe are saying, and for the most part have been already doing.

Famousguy, do you ride off trail?

 

[famousguy]

you are absolutely correct and I for one am gonna follow more along the lines of what you and chevytahoe are saying, and for the most part have been already doing.

Famousguy, do you ride off trail?

Nope. I'm a trail rider.

 

[lenny]

I'm a little off track to start, but you'll get my point at the end...Mi-Trale has been searching for land to make a scramble area for OHV riders. The DNR (I'm pretty sure I'm correct with my statement) has funding to by land and create this area we just have to find a spot. We/Mi-Trale would like to build the deepest mud pit, the hardest hill to climb, so when people can't make it up the hill or through the mud pit they would make it a point to come back to the area to try it again and this would also bring their money back to the area businesses. Maybe we could combined this area and make it a winter playground. I think I will bring this idea up at the next meeting, combining the 2 sports could be a huge selling point for having this in this area and I think the DNR would like the idea

it sounds great but would not work, it would be pounded to death and never any fun. I prefer untracked as most of us do. Keep the ideas flying !

 

[indy_500]

I personally think a dirt bike/snocross track will solve many problems. Many of the ricky racers and bobby boondockers are not looking for logging roads with fresh pow or technical hill climbs through the trees, they just want to hit some jumps and have some people look at em...

 

[lenny]

Nope. I'm a trail rider.

so honestly, what is your interest in this issue. Are you concerned about the foliage and trees and would like to see us stop doing what we are doing? Are we threatening all the rights of all snowmobilers, giving all a bad name? I am just curious to what your main concern is and how this should be handled, just spit it out there bud!

 

[cuzzinolaf]

Many of the bobby boondockers are not looking for logging roads with fresh pow or technical hill climbs through the trees

and have some people look at em...

WHAT?!?!?!?

Team Squatch might have just been born LOL.

The best day of riding is finding untouched snow with hills and NOT seeing another group of sledders all day. We usually achieve but are definitely finding more tracks in places that were always left alone.

 

[Skylar]

Skylar, are you suggesting that there is no damaged being caused by off trail riders based on this one picture?

Nope, I asking for someone to point out the damage done to THIS area, by a snowmobile.

 

[Mark@TimberlineSports]

I personally think a dirt bike/snocross track will solve many problems. Many of the ricky racers and bobby boondockers are not looking for logging roads with fresh pow or technical hill climbs through the trees, they just want to hit some jumps and have some people look at em...

I thought that was what the field next to Krupps was for!

-Mark
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[Skylar]

i thought that was the field next to krupps was for!

-mark
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lol

 

[indy_500]

WHAT?!?!?!?

Team Squatch might have just been born LOL.

The best day of riding is finding untouched snow with hills and NOT seeing another group of sledders all day. We usually achieve but are definitely finding more tracks in places that were always left alone.

I don't think you read it right, I'm not saying guys like you, I'm talking about the posers LOL

 

[Chicago Boy]

What to do

As bad as it sounds it's really all about the money
If the land owners got paid they wouldn't be so mad
I would pay to play how about you guys

 

[Trees4Traction440]

you'll pay to play....but when others find your tracks and follow them around the land you and the land owner will be pissed. Stick with state land and we wont have these issues

 

[ezra]

WHAT?!?!?!?

Team Squatch might have just been born LOL.

The best day of riding is finding untouched snow with hills and NOT seeing another group of sledders all day. We usually achieve but are definitely finding more tracks in places that were always left alone.

back in the day you did not have to carry extra fuel just go a short ride to the un used play ground then a gal would do just a bit deeper.now it has come to halling a 5gal to get to where I know I will see no one and have my own fresh. or trailer close and store gas in the trailer.

 

[snoluver1]

I dont think you realize the big picture. BRC, SAWS, and other like minded orginazations are trying to protect our rights to use land for recreational purposes. I dont care if it is an ATV, snowmobile, Jeep, mountain bike or even horse back riders.

"It's not your land. It is belongs to EVERYONE. And as a collective whole, we are entitled to that land being used in a responsible manner, not trashing it" First off we are not ENTITLED to anything. You may think that it belongs to everyone, but the government still dictates what happens on that land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness_Act

Being a snowmobiler and an ATV owner I would think that instead of using your resources to make it harder for ATV trails you would try to come up with better solutions for multi-use trails. Do you really think that if you got your way and there were no ATV trails that snowmobile trails would not be on the chopping block next?

-Mark
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Thank you! There were so many things wrong with that gentleman's statement and mindset, I didn't even know where to begin.