harvest1121
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After this weekend I am going to sea and water
Sea and Snow
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We have run Sno and Ski for a number of years, but this year hubby bought a new sled, and the dealer told him running anything but Polaris oil negates the warrenty. This was after he bought some Cennex Snow Max PV full synthetic. Hoping to recup his lose, he wants to run that in my sled. Someone told him that I should have been running that type in my sled anyway, because of power valves. I have not had any problems with the regular sno and ski, so are there any advantages to changing? As others have said, I don't want to hurt my sled, but it has been running fine after the usually tune ups. I thought it was the gas gumming up the carbs after sitting all summer, but could it be the oil?
We have run Sno and Ski for a number of years, but this year hubby bought a new sled, and the dealer told him running anything but Polaris oil negates the warrenty. This was after he bought some Cennex Snow Max PV full synthetic. Hoping to recup his lose, he wants to run that in my sled. Someone told him that I should have been running that type in my sled anyway, because of power valves. I have not had any problems with the regular sno and ski, so are there any advantages to changing? As others have said, I don't want to hurt my sled, but it has been running fine after the usually tune ups. I thought it was the gas gumming up the carbs after sitting all summer, but could it be the oil?
Not true, as long as you use an oil that meets the sled manufacturer's specifications. Dealer is probably trying to get you to buy overpriced OEM oil.
Not likely.
harvest1121
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The only thing I would look at is if they say you should use semi synthetic or full synthetic.
polarisrider1
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Post #66 what was the question again?
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Here is some more fun reading:
The ISO-L-EGD+ was created to establish a higher standard of detergency and ability to withstand higher levels of heat. The new test runs for 3 hours vs 1 hour for the previous test.
If a lubricant is certified ISO-L-EGD+ it has passed the most stringent tests set by American, Japanese and European engine manufacturers. Polaris recommends TC-W3 lubricants, Yamaha JASO FC and Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo requires ISO-L-EDG+ lubricants.
None of the three North American snowmobile manufacturers specify use of TC-W3 oil in their owner’s manuals. Bombardier pointedly tells its customers not to use it, recommending API-TC rated oil instead.
Until recently, the top JASO oil rating was FC, and you will continue to see this listed in many places. But the tougher FD rating is now available, and some companies upgraded their products. The JASO-FC standard is also important because it includes a test to specifically measure exhaust smoke. So JASO-FC and the subsequent FD test is the key for visible exhaust emissions.
ISO-L-EGD is the top European two-stroke standard, with EGC and EGB as lower performance levels. A plus sign after the letters (EGD+) means that the rating is significantly exceeded.
Use the oil ratings as a guide, compare costs and availability, and try to stay with one product if possible. Availability becomes a factor for many of us; if you can’t carry enough with you, run something that you can find readily where you ride to fill the gaps.
Plain old TCW-3 won’t cut it in many of the higher-tech engines. Look for JASO-FC (and now FD) and ISO EGD ratings as indicators of a minimum performance standard for the newest, trickest engines. Mod packages may require extra quality and or quantity to provide adequate lubrication; consult with the engine builder or package supplier on what their experience has been.
ISO-L-EGC is similar to the JASO FC rating
ISO EGD is the “European” specification that slightly exceeds the “Japanese” JASO-FC. There is a new JASO-FD spec, as the ISO and JASO testing sequences have come closer together with the latest ‘FD’ and ‘EGD’ designations. Previously, the only difference was a 1 hour and 3 hour detergency - lubricity - ring groove - sticking test with JASO-FC and ISO-EGD respectively. Now, they are the same set of tests.
Maxima TundraR, a synthetic blend that is pretty clean burning, ISO EGD
Amsoil Interceptor & Dominator Both are rated JASO FC, API TC
Klotz Snowmobile Techniplate- Check can. Some are TCW-3 and some are ISO EGD Rated
Spectro ISO EGD rated
Blue Marble claims to be ISO EGD rated
ARCTIC BLUE™ Synthetic Blend is qualified internationally: Exceeds API TC or TSC-3 in North America. Exceeds Japanese Automobile Standard Organization new JASO specification "FC". Meets or exceeds performance requirements of International Standards Organization new ISO Global Specifications "GC" (ISO-L-EGC) and "GD"
(ISO-L-EGD).
Torco Exceeds JASO-FC / ISO-L-EGD / API-TC
Shell Advance Snow Ultra High Performance Synthetic Snowmobile Oil ISO-EGD and the JASO FC standard.
Maxima Lubricants Super-M Injector Oil Exceeds BIA/TC-W, JASO-FC, ISO-E-GD & API-TC specifications
Legend ZX-2R exceeds NMMA (formerly BIA) TCW3, ISO-L-EGB and JASO FB specifications. ZX-2R is a mineral based, synthetically infused blend of superior chemical components designed to outperform the most expensive synthetics.
Legend ZX-2SR exceeds API TC, ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC+ specifications. ZX-2SR is a blend of the finest mineral base stocks “chemically infused” with nano-molecular additive technology. Based in Traverse City, MI
Royal Purple-TCW-III
Citgo SuperGard Sea and Snow. Citgo is Venezuela’s oil company run by Hugo Chavez. The synthetic blend formula meets or exceeds the rigorous requirements of the API TC, JASO FC and ISO EGD classifications for 2-cycle air-cooled engine oils and also exceeds the performance requirements for JASO FA, JASO FB, ISO-L-EGB, and ISO-L-EGC. The JASO FC Certification Number is 001 CGO 535. SUPERGARD Sea and Snow is formulated primarily for use in snowmobiles and personal watercraft.
Redline SyntheticTwo-Stroke Snowmobile - is not rated. Test results state that it can be used where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, or API TC lubricants are recommended, but is not designed for outboard use..
Arctic Cat 50:1 Injection Oil - Arctic Cat does not rate their oil. Arctic Cat runs a number of motors at different rpm's on the emission dyno's and sleds in the field for hundreds of hours. So Arctic Cat does their own testing with Suzuki.
Phillips 66® Injex - TC-W3® certified by the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA), and also meets API TC and JASO FB
Yamalube Land (Red box with “2-S” on it) - STANDARDS: API TC – TSC 3 JASO FC, ISO-L-EGD Approval No: M081 YMC 525
Castrol SNOW 2T SNOWMOBILE OIL - API TC or NMMA TC-W3®
No Smoke Two Stroke oil made by made in the USA, ALCO - American Lubricating Co - ISO-L-EGD, JASO-FD and APITC
polarisrider1
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skidoo/seadoo can not require a ISO-L-EGD+ they can only recomend it. http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbulletin/SmallEngine/TSB_SE-2009-11-01_Bombardier_Warranty.pdf
This proves seadoos claims wrong http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbulletin/SmallEngine/TSB SE-2007-04-19 Sea Doo PWC.pdf
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Is it that they cannot require it, or that they cannot require their own brand?
polarisrider1
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They can not require it by law. I don't sell oil but I do believe in certain products that do very well for me. Sleds and jet skis are to expensive to use "gas station/convenience store products in. In the past I have had bad luck with certain snake oil products such as octane boosters, Rad. repair in a can, Transmission renew and junk such as that, so my guard is, way up. Just because oils meet industry specs. does not mean it has quality additives in it. I do believe Sled brand oils are more money because the Manufacturer gets a payback from the oil manufacturer to carry there product, and the sled Manufacturer makes you feel hostage to their oils. My argument to this whole oil discussion is "How well does an oil keep your power valves from gumming up?" "If your valves are gumming up, what else in the motor is gumming up to?" Price is not a factor, if a product is wrecking or gumming up a motor, it could be free and I would not use it. Like the saying goes, "life is to short to drink cheap beer".
I have no problem drinking cheap beer and even less of a problem with free beer as long as it's cold!
skidoodoug
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LOVE cheap beer...cheap oil too! I think the local Farm and Fleets' have Sea and Snow on sale for $15 somethin a gallon.
Can I have a Whoo-hoo for Lucas Oil? That stuff may even be union made?
SRT20, I don't know why either. For whatever reason, some people get all worked up because some people use a cheaper COSTING oil, even though it meets every oil standard there is. If someone asks about it, I will tell them my opinion and my results with it. SO, I guess every fall/winter we will have this discussion on this sight. LOL.
It is really weird how people try so hard to get people to run their favorite oil. It is also funny listening to people try bash a certain brand of oil. It would be like me getting upset if you dont drink the same beer or dont order the same cocktail as me at the bar.
Im still waiting for somone to give me some evidence proving that a 2 stroke oil caused their engine failure. (and telling me your sled with 8000 miles had a crank failure after you switched is NOT proof. After about 6000 miles these things can be timebombs no matter oil you run)
Running citgo leaves me more beer money. Plain and simple! And I dont care what you run.
Im still waiting for somone to give me some evidence proving that a 2 stroke oil caused their engine failure. (and telling me your sled with 8000 miles had a crank failure after you switched is NOT proof. After about 6000 miles these things can be timebombs no matter oil you run)
Running citgo leaves me more beer money. Plain and simple! And I dont care what you run.
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