SR Viper has Gremlins

Attak man

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All our 03 revs were covered multiple times. Almost every grass drag we went to we would need new rings after the race, and everytime doo supplied them. Ended up putting wisecos for trail riding to avoid having to change them. Tomahawk sports center in tomahawk is as quality of dealer as there is out there for doo and is prolly the difference in covered or not. We have never had doo leave us like some mentioned. My bros 05 mach, crank went out on lake our cabin is on, totally replaced engine for 0 dollars out of warranty. We ride with a good 15-20+ people in group, i cannot remember the last time someone was towed, back in 90's. All doo's. Preventetive maintance, warming up sleds thoroughly, proper jetting for carbed sleds go a long ways.

Yep sports center is excellent...if I rode ski-doos...I will be buying my sleds there....03 was covered by sports center...99 was not...not their fault....don't blame them a bit for it....it was very frustrating at the time...had little fench guy screaming at me on the phone...lol
 

whitedust

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Yep sports center is excellent...if I rode ski-doos...I will be buying my sleds there....03 was covered by sports center...99 was not...not their fault....don't blame them a bit for it....it was very frustrating at the time...had little fench guy screaming at me on the phone...lol

Must have been same french guy I talked to in Valcourt about my blown 800. Not under warranty tuf nuts but we do have remanufactured 800s good to go exchange program. I wonder why you have that program???? How strange a market for remanufactured 800s?... Hmmmmm... :D LOL
 

momoney2123

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Must have been same french guy I talked to in Valcourt about my blown 800. Not under warranty tuf nuts but we do have remanufactured 800s good to go exchange program. I wonder why you have that program???? How strange a market for remanufactured 800s?... Hmmmmm... :D LOL

As they say in dumb and dumber, the french are a-holes. I have never dealt with valcourt directly, i bet if you woulda went thru a good dealer, your expierence would have been a lot less painful.
 

groomerdriver

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Well...I think it is relavent...a good dealer can solve a lot of little issues, and change your prespective on a brand...I have used yamaha warranty twice in the past 20 years...they always came through for me...I find the "issues" you brought to be small...I had engine issues with my ski-doos...they covered one...and refused the other...they lost me as a customer over it. IMO wheels and hand warmers...are small issues..compared to engine issues. I have never gotten mad, and quit riding brand "A" because of wheel or handwarmer issues...engine issues..not taken care of...YEP!! I think cat is good too...3 of myn buddies bought 03 firecats when they came out...2 of them blew up at least twice...and cat covered em...both times.

The issues I mentioned were "small" in your eyes........sure....unless it happened to you and ruined multiple trips. But your opinion is what it is and that's OK! Hope you get your sled running again soon!
 

Attak man

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The issues I mentioned were "small" in your eyes........sure....unless it happened to you and ruined multiple trips. But your opinion is what it is and that's OK! Hope you get your sled running again soon!
I hope so too...the trails by me are AWESOME right now (of course) :(

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Must have been same french guy I talked to in Valcourt about my blown 800. Not under warranty tuf nuts but we do have remanufactured 800s good to go exchange program. I wonder why you have that program???? How strange a market for remanufactured 800s?... Hmmmmm... :D LOL

Yep....not gonna lie I swore back at him...and had he been standing next to me...punches would have been thrown.

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As they say in dumb and dumber, the french are a-holes. I have never dealt with valcourt directly, i bet if you woulda went thru a good dealer, your expierence would have been a lot less painful.

Not the dealer's fault...it was a factory problem (they admitted it 2 years later...but never paid for it)...even with all of that I bought 2 ski-doos after that incident....but it really soured me on team yellow...You can have a great dealer...but those canadians in Quebec...could careless about you (especially if you are american)...that's the way I see it.
 

whitedust

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As they say in dumb and dumber, the french are a-holes. I have never dealt with valcourt directly, i bet if you woulda went thru a good dealer, your expierence would have been a lot less painful.

Dead wrong again......I would never go over a doo dealers head & talk to Valcourt without him knowing. In this case the dealer said do it Valcourt knows they have a problem but not hearing us head in the sand BUT they do have the 800 exchange program. lol Dealer knew nothing was going to happen to help me been down the road before with other 800 owners. Both flaking rings & frozen crank in same 800 come on they knew they had 800 POS out there just didn't have to warranty it so didn't. Bye bye doo & never been back since 2007. They didn't care about me after all the doos I purchased so F them went to Yamaha & ended up being the best thing that could have happpend to me. But who knew at the time??
 

momoney2123

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Dead wrong again......I would never go over a doo dealers head & talk to Valcourt without him knowing. In this case the dealer said do it Valcourt knows they have a problem but not hearing us head in the sand BUT they do have the 800 exchange program. lol Dealer knew nothing was going to happen to help me been down the road before with other 800 owners. Both flaking rings & frozen crank in same 800 come on they knew they had 800 POS out there just didn't have to warranty it so didn't. Bye bye doo & never been back since 2007. They didn't care about me after all the doos I purchased so F them went to Yamaha & ended up being the best thing that could have happpend to me. But who knew at the time??

My bad Im dead wrong again hahaha. Well we KNEW about it in 03,and they warranteed ours, so something is differnt bewteen me and you, not sure what else too tell ya haha. If you had a problem in 07 on a 03 rev i can see why they wouldnt help you, train already left the station bud. Let me see we had 6 03 rev 800's in the group, and didnt have any issues as we changed all rings when we saw compression dropping. I've said it before some people arent cut out for life with a 2-stroke. U can have yamaha.
 

Attak man

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My bad Im dead wrong again hahaha. Well we KNEW about it in 03,and they warranteed ours, so something is differnt bewteen me and you, not sure what else too tell ya haha. If you had a problem in 07 on a 03 rev i can see why they wouldnt help you, train already left the station bud. Let me see we had 6 03 rev 800's in the group, and didnt have any issues as we changed all rings when we saw compression dropping. I've said it before some people arent cut out for life with a 2-stroke. U can have yamaha.

Oh momoney take the yellow goggles off....I have owned 5 of them...from the very dealer you described above (an old friend of mine by the way).....and none....I repeat...NONE were as reliable as ANY Yamaha I have owned...in fact my 03 rev was clapped out at 7,000 miles....even my 07 crossfire made it to 11,300...before I changed pistons and rings...Now if you want to talk ride quality...handling...light weight....that's ski-doo...but don't tell me they are as reliable as a 4 stroke (especially a yamaha)....that's silly. I guess some people won't face the reality of four strokes.
 

whitedust

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My bad Im dead wrong again hahaha. Well we KNEW about it in 03,and they warranteed ours, so something is differnt bewteen me and you, not sure what else too tell ya haha. If you had a problem in 07 on a 03 rev i can see why they wouldnt help you, train already left the station bud. Let me see we had 6 03 rev 800's in the group, and didnt have any issues as we changed all rings when we saw compression dropping. I've said it before some people arent cut out for life with a 2-stroke. U can have yamaha.

I'm pretty sure it was 2005 & was 2003 800 MXZ ZX & no dealer I know of had any recall on 800 rings yes on 600 but no on 800. Doo never recalled 800 cranks either & we all know how that turned out. I purchased the 800 factory exchange program to the tune of $2400 let's face facts ...... I was SCREWED engine was out at dealer too much wrong with 800 to rebuild, no trade in value, no help from dealer, no help from Valcourt I was SCREWED,.....SCREWED......SCREWED!! So in goes 800 factory exchange engine & I was stuck with the sled for 2 more years traded in on 2007 Yamaha Attak GT & hoped for a better ownership experience but didn't know? All my buds bought new or used Yamahas too saw what happened to me bailed on their doo 800s too could not take the loss of a meltdown. Yamaha fit & finish is ummatched & their engines are gas & go who knew? 10K mile later I bought another Yamaha used this time 2012 Apex XTX not because I was afraid 10K miles would be risky just time to move up & buy EPS & 144 tipped & luv the new sled.:)
 

brad460

Member
Another 4 stroke hater....(smh)...ride what you like...but I'd take a low quality cat anyday over a polaris....I think the Viper is sweet...good move by both companies..function over form...for a first year model...it has a few bugs...no big deal....I guess you don't remember the 1st year Rush???....BTW TY is a fan site...it's not endorsed or run by yamaha...again FAN SITE...and a damn good one...the advice they give there is awesome...polaris has nothing like it (neither does cat...yeah cat chat...but they don't answer questions like totally yamaha does)....and yeah I can see why they'd kick a guy like you off...you are a hater troll (admit it...you been trolling over there)....lol


You are a little misguided on TY.....starting in 2004 Yamaha realized the best way to influence the forum was the make TY feel like part of the Yamaha family. For example Yamaha started inviting the administrator to ride new sleds prior to being released to public..that led to inviting the admin and his buddies the next year and so on...giving them demo sleds to use during the year..etc...making them part of the family creates a defense. While constructive feedback is ok from members anything resembling an attack on the product will likely be immediately deleted. This doesn't keep Yamaha from being accountable to its customers, but will eliminate a level of negativity on the forums and emphasis will be put on the positives. Smart move by Yamaha...
 

momoney2123

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Oh momoney take the yellow goggles off....I have owned 5 of them...from the very dealer you described above (an old friend of mine by the way).....and none....I repeat...NONE were as reliable as ANY Yamaha I have owned...in fact my 03 rev was clapped out at 7,000 miles....even my 07 crossfire made it to 11,300...before I changed pistons and rings...Now if you want to talk ride quality...handling...light weight....that's ski-doo...but don't tell me they are as reliable as a 4 stroke (especially a yamaha)....that's silly. I guess some people won't face the reality of four strokes.

I never said they were more reliable. I kno enough about engines to never say that regardless of the maker. U cant compare reliability of a 2s vs 4s. Its the only advantage of a 4s IMO. Most people arent gona ride a million mil e s and not upgrade.I could argue the 1200 is just as reliable as any yamaha. I just said he can have yamaha...
 

momoney2123

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I'm pretty sure it was 2005 & was 2003 800 MXZ ZX & no dealer I know of had any recall on 800 rings yes on 600 but no on 800. Doo never recalled 800 cranks either & we all know how that turned out. I purchased the 800 factory exchange program to the tune of $2400 let's face facts ...... I was SCREWED engine was out at dealer too much wrong with 800 to rebuild, no trade in value, no help from dealer, no help from Valcourt I was SCREWED,.....SCREWED......SCREWED!! So in goes 800 factory exchange engine & I was stuck with the sled for 2 more years traded in on 2007 Yamaha Attak GT & hoped for a better ownership experience but didn't know? All my buds bought new or used Yamahas too saw what happened to me bailed on their doo 800s too could not take the loss of a meltdown. Yamaha fit & finish is ummatched & their engines are gas & go who knew? 10K mile later I bought another Yamaha used this time 2012 Apex XTX not because I was afraid 10K miles would be risky just time to move up & buy EPS & 144 tipped & luv the new sled.:)

Im glad u like ur new sled. Something doesnt add up in that story. Less than 2 years of purchasing a new sled everyone left you hanging. Comon...theres something more....alway 2 sides to a story. I duno NEVER in 35 years of family and friends owning doo has anything close to that happened. They took/take care of us and we take care of them. Plus the product is hard to beat
 

whitedust

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Im glad u like ur new sled. Something doesnt add up in that story. Less than 2 years of purchasing a new sled everyone left you hanging. Comon...theres something more....alway 2 sides to a story. I duno NEVER in 35 years of family and friends owning doo has anything close to that happened. They took/take care of us and we take care of them. Plus the product is hard to beat

That's it....... nothing else to tell no warranty coverage from Doo for me or anyone else with bad 800 cranks & flaking rings so doo came up with 800 exchange program. Dealer wanted to look at the rings probably comparing to 600 ring recall said it was the same flaking ring problem but not the cause of the failure that was failure of sealed crank seals. Only thing anyone could think was doo sold a lot more 600s than 800s back then so warrantied & recalled the 600 left 800 owners to the exchange program past the 1 year warranty period. Checked with 2 doo dealers both knew what the 800 outcome would be with Valcourt & both were embarassed knew their hands were tied. It SUCKED & why 800 owners bailed on the product ASAP but no OEM dealer including doo would give a decent trade in all of them knew the doo 800s were time bombs. I'm surprised you don't know about this 800 mess since such a huge doo fan. After that I bought 3-5 year warranties on my Yamahas but didn't need it but Yamaha YES is cheap peace of mind.
 

chad66

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It cracks me up reading how many experts there are out there that have no ON HAND experience with a product...just what they read or hear...has to be true right? 15% of customers aren't happy on a brand loyal site? Seriously? Ask any dealer if they monitor their brand loyal websites...maybe 15% do...nobody is happy on those sites, always some jackwagon wanting to stir the post because he's bored. I'm glad they have those sites but lets be honest, you have to know that you cant believe half of what you read on the web. They're ALL JUNK! Just depends how quick the manufacturer/dealer can get you going and take care of business. LET'S RIDE! I'm TAKING OFF OFF AT 1 ON MY '78 Enticer 250!

Chad@M&M
 

momoney2123

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That's it....... nothing else to tell no warranty coverage from Doo for me or anyone else with bad 800 cranks & flaking rings so doo came up with 800 exchange program. Dealer wanted to look at the rings probably comparing to 600 ring recall said it was the same flaking ring problem but not the cause of the failure that was failure of sealed crank seals. Only thing anyone could think was doo sold a lot more 600s than 800s back then so warrantied & recalled the 600 left 800 owners to the exchange program past the 1 year warranty period. Checked with 2 doo dealers both knew what the 800 outcome would be with Valcourt & both were embarassed knew their hands were tied. It SUCKED & why 800 owners bailed on the product ASAP but no OEM dealer including doo would give a decent trade in all of them knew the doo 800s were time bombs. I'm surprised you don't know about this 800 mess since such a huge doo fan. After that I bought 3-5 year warranties on my Yamahas but didn't need it but Yamaha YES is cheap peace of mind.

Haha as i mentioned I did know. And we were covered so your assumtion no one was covered is inaccurate. Im sure the ring flaking into crank wiped that out. Was a mistake to go to those rings no doubt, but we knew and prevented any issues with ours. Also re-sale was very good on those for us so not sure what u mean by that. A 2003 will still bring 3k.
 

whitedust

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Haha as i mentioned I did know. And we were covered so your assumtion no one was covered is inaccurate. Im sure the ring flaking into crank wiped that out. Was a mistake to go to those rings no doubt, but we knew and prevented any issues with ours. Also re-sale was very good on those for us so not sure what u mean by that. A 2003 will still bring 3k.

At that time dealers were not interested in taking 2003-2002 doo 800s in trade but did & we took the loss. 1 dealer took my buds 800 gade straight to the bonehard said he could get more money parting than selling the 800.....he called it a time bomb. I don't think I should have to change rings to aftermarket rings in a new 800 for it not to blow but that is me. To you it seems reasonable which is ok. You are 100% correct that 2s are not for me I'm not doing compression checks & new rings to ride trails I would much rather ride than wrench & 4s are gas & go engines 2s too much risk for me.
 
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