your right, there is no assumption about it. He was examined and the conclusion was NO SIGNIFICANT INJURIES.
You guys are missing a point. TM did not need to go home. If you think so, why? TM was on his way home. You guys are believing the lie of GZ when he says he was jumped out of the blue. GZ first said ne never went farther than 50 ft away from his car yet is has been determined that GZ meet TM in the back common ground according to numerous witnesses who heard foot steep on grass and pavement. According to GZ, TM ran from George, GZ got out of his car, and started to persue TM. Dispatch asks GZ if he is following TM and GZ says yes. The scuffle begins in the back yards between two residences, the residence of John Good and Jenna Lauer. Jenna Lauer testified she heard footsteps and than a scuffling on grass and pavement. She than describes the noises as grunts and scuffling. John Good hears the scuffling. Now if GZ was not persuing TM than how did he get in the back yard common area. GZ never said TM drug him any distance to the back. GZ told dispatch he was chasing TM but later said he was moving in TM's direction. GZ said TM ran. GZ said he was following TM and a scuffle ends up in a common area behind the town homes. How much more clear does this need to be for you guys. Do you even bother to click the links I paste for you. I am pasting actual eyewitness accounts, not speculation. GZ carries the responsibility of concealing a firearm capable of death. GZ came to the conclusion TM was suspicious. GZ concluded TM was on drugs. GZ concluded something was wrong with TM. GZ said "these assholes always get away" meaning he believe TM did something illegal which prompted his actions towards TM. GZ said TM had something in his waist. GZ was severely mistaken on many accounts as to the intent and action of TM. GZ was so persuaded that TM was up to not good (which he verbally said verbatim) that he got out of the car and followed him into the back yards where they meet. No witness said that there was any circling back. GZ was not on his way back because the witnesses said they heard the footsteps in back. It is not remotely feasible that GZ did not follow TM into the back where TM had run to. GZ claimed he wanted to get house numbers in the area where TM ran into but the numbers are on the front of the houses, not the backs. No reason GZ had to go around back unless he was in pursuit of TM. There is a phone call recording of TM asking GZ "why you following me," "why you following me." TM was still on the phone with a girl.
TM was on his way back when all this happened, he even ran from GZ as GZ stated. GZ followed and a scuffle transpired. GZ thought many things that were incorrect. Listen to the links I pasted and learn from this. Very good chance TM did indeed throw the first punch, I probably would also considering the circumstances. GZ brough this situation to a head as a result of poor decisions, poor decisions that a responsible gun carrying citizen ought not be making. John Good a witness never saw TM smashing GZ head and was asked 3 distinct times if he had seen a head smashing taking place and his answer was a NO! John gave specific detail often referring to MMA fighting, using words like ground and pound, saying GZ was mounted. He was specific as to what he said he saw and was asked 3 times about the head smashing and he said he didn't see that. GZ injuries also do not support a head smashing.
If you guys want to continue to support the idea that deadly force is reasonable in a situation like this,,,,this exact situation,,,, than I fear that as a society where we have come to. I'll say this, one who carries ought to be more capable of good decision making compared to GZ because GZ could not have screwed up more than he did which I believe, as a result, ended up in a death.
TM made one mistake, he probably did initiate the physical assault but keep in mind what GZ had been thinking about TM up to this particular point. TM messed with the wrong guy who had sever misconceptions of the actions of TM. You think that may have influenced his decision to use deadly force?
Stand your ground law was not in affect because GZ has a reasonable method of retreat and chose not to use it. He won the case on self defense which is the only point of contention here despite all his proactive behavior.
Russholio, I am not saying he should have waited. I am saying he claimed his head was being smashed into the concrete. He said that the head smashing along with all the other assault lead him to believe he was in danger of death but medical professional said no significant injuries which in not consistent with what he actually received in the scuffle. As I have been saying all along, scuffles usually do not end up in a death. Both parties take their lumps and go home. It's a rarity for a death to occur in a scuffle and the injuries jive with a scuffle, not a life and death situation. A fear of death has to occur which GZ said did indeed happen and specifically the head being driven int the concrete which we learned never occurred. This scuffle was taking place 25 ft tops from the back door of the 2 witnesses. They said they did not hear TM tell GZ "your gonna die tonight." Seems a tad unbelievable to think he said that but works great at trial for George, who can argue it?
