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Change is good. Heat Red is good too. I would have ordered a Heat Red Viper but all my clothes are blue.
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MNBlizzard
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Apex SE...the fox shocks are worth it.
pwolfy2003
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Glad to hear that MNBLIZZARD, wasnt sure between the 3 APEX SE , APEX or the XTX. dont know about clothes yet as all my gear is POO, maybe a huge bonfire
duramaxdoodoo
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Get klim in case of change again
I would have ordered red too & if poo gear all black who cares? I think Spring deal for Viper includes a Yamaha jacket of some sort not sure about Apex you should ask. New gear FXR, Klim & Motorfist for best of best ..FXR & Motorfist best bang for buck & trying to knock off Klim from leader board. I have FXR & like it.
Congrats! It will be interesting to see what your thoughts are next year after riding it a while. One of my relatives who lives near Phelps in the winters has been a polaris guy for decades, and he picked up a Vector this year that he planned to ride about 50/50 while rotating days with his 2010 IQ. He ended up putting 3,000+ on the vector and the IQ didn't get out too much at all. I'm sure this year's gas prices had a lot to do with it, but he sure seems to enjoy the Yamaha and had no complaints about it, other than the fun of changing the oil filter.
dfattack
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After having owned and putting thousands of miles on a 2006 Apex GT and a 2007 attak (which as whitedust probably pointed out is a "longer" 136" track) as well as currently owning a 2011 Apex XTX and a 2012 Apex XTX which have the 144" tracks. I would have suggested the XTX without a doubt. I realize it's too late, but I thought my two cents may help you once you get your sled. The 2006 Apex GT (short track) needed studs to handle the power. the tail wandered and seemed like there wasn't enough bite in the rear. The 2007 attak was much better. I never stud my tracks since they stay in my garage and I don't want to ruin my expensive garage floor coating. As I stated, I now have XTX's and absolutely love the sleds. Previously I thought the attak was the finest sled I had owned. the XTX's are superior to the attak. The longer track is very nice and balances the sled better. The tipped rails offset the 144" track nicely. I use snow-tracker carbides to reduce push in the corners and eliminates darting completely.
The point of my post is this...if you stud your tracks then you will be fine. I believe the SE comes with a 128" track. I didn't choose that model because I knew the 121" track wasn't enough. Studded would help I'm sure. Once you are studded, if you go that route, you will most likely need aggressive carbides to reduce the push in the corners. I use the 8" aggressive carbides from snow-tracker. I have used bergstrom and like them...just too much of a pain in the shorts to get a hold of him. I even have the 8" aggressive snow-trackers on my 2013 Venture GT.
So set up properly, your machine should be a sound choice. The key is setup. 165hp on a 128" track will, in my opinion need more grip, which in turn will increase push in the corners, therefore needing aggresive carbides.
sorry to ramble. Just trying to give you as much input as possible to ensure a successful riding season next year.
Congratulations!
The point of my post is this...if you stud your tracks then you will be fine. I believe the SE comes with a 128" track. I didn't choose that model because I knew the 121" track wasn't enough. Studded would help I'm sure. Once you are studded, if you go that route, you will most likely need aggressive carbides to reduce the push in the corners. I use the 8" aggressive carbides from snow-tracker. I have used bergstrom and like them...just too much of a pain in the shorts to get a hold of him. I even have the 8" aggressive snow-trackers on my 2013 Venture GT.
So set up properly, your machine should be a sound choice. The key is setup. 165hp on a 128" track will, in my opinion need more grip, which in turn will increase push in the corners, therefore needing aggresive carbides.
sorry to ramble. Just trying to give you as much input as possible to ensure a successful riding season next year.
Congratulations!
Yep agree Darren I would rather min stud 144 tipped track & fine tune skis & carbides for XTX than try & get all that hp to 128 track with mucho studs. To me ice ripper track is the perfect answer for the 144 since I don't like overstudding any track. My 136 works great with 108 studs down the center very surprising the track & studs look so good after 10,000 miles but ice ripper goes on 1st sign of trouble.
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Wow Dust - you have a lot more faith than I do in tracks. 10,000 miles??? I seldom run a track more than 5000 miles. After that they can shred anytime even if they look good. I ride alone a lot in desolate places so I can't have problems. Stupid, yes, but it happens.
True... true....Grub.... I check my track every 500 miles Kip checks for me every season looks great & I'm amazed too! Usually I can spot a thrown stud 1st then bye bye track as I had a bud throw a track completely off looked funny as all heck to see him glide out without track but could have been tragic as well. Only thing I can think of is this sled has been ridden in best of best conditions of northern WI & UP + I don't spin the track unnecessarily. I didn't exspect 10K miles on track but then again not broken so it stays put for now.
eagle1
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Ha,ha no worries, my sled is white/red.
Here's a few things you might want/need for that new sled.
HID lites. These are awesome! Make night riding so much nicer and also takes some burden off the stator. http://sledstart.com/sledstart_lights_description.htm
If you run a lot of power stuff, phone, gps, ect. check out smart power supply.
http://www.yamaheater.com/Products.php
If you need handle bar risers these rock and even accept ram mount for gps.
http://www.lakeffectsnow.com/
All of above are great guys but also they have great customer service.
pwolfy2003
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Thanks again guys , Dfattack, I just got off the phone with my dealer and I can still change sleds up until Monday. I usually dont stud .It sounds to me like the 144 will not be much different than my Switchback with the 136 that I absolutely loved for the ride part. I was worried about pushing too much but doesnt sound like too big of an issue.Any more info?
eagle1
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I was kinda leary going to 144" (Nytro xtx) But have absolutely no regrets. Not even running it around here.
It all comes down to the type of trails you ride and how fast you want to corner in the tight trails. Gonna be little more work to corner but nothing that outweighs the benefits, at least too me.
Pretty much come down to personal preference.
It all comes down to the type of trails you ride and how fast you want to corner in the tight trails. Gonna be little more work to corner but nothing that outweighs the benefits, at least too me.
Pretty much come down to personal preference.
I do believe the switchback is tipped as well but Polaris does not promote tipped tracks maybe since they did it 1st a long time ago just old hat to them. As Darren said XTX push should not be a problem with Bergstrom triple points or snowtrackers up front the problem with 128 is to get 162ish hp to the track. I own a 136 Attak & 108 studs down the center do well to hook up & stop the sled no push with 8" triple points. I did ride the 2008 Apex GT 121 no studs & it did tend to spin the track a lot & the Atack 136 or XLT just handled so much better than Apex 121. The 128 track should help a lot over 121 but 144 so much better match for Yamaha 4s 162ish hp. Darren & I are very evenly matched on trail 107 me on 2007 Attak GT 136 150 hp & Darren on Apex 2011 XTX 144 162 hp my Bergstroms had the edge that day but Darren was still in break in & set up mode I think he was just past the 500 mile mark at the time. Darren could tell you but I also think he switched to aggressive snowtrakers after that day for more bite. Funny thing is we went to the Holiday Lodge in Phelps after riding & discussed our sleds & new Yamahas & I was conflicted regarding the Apex SE thinking it was too short & thinking the Apex XTX was too long at 144. Darren had no doubt the 144 tipped was the correct track for the 2011 & newer Apex. Since then I have changed my view & would buy the XTX 144 tipped as will cut down on stucks in deep powder off trail, unplowed FRs & powder on lakes which are part of my daily riding to trails in Phelps. My 136 does very well but with new EXUP 10 -15 additional poines 144 is a better match for all types of riding & I would never go less than 136 so why 144 tipped appeals to me now too. Darren was/is right 144 is best for new Apex.
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Big war going down at Totally Yamaha site regarding Viper. Mods shutting people down for excessive criticism.
I recall all the trouble they had with front end config on the Nytro and can't help but believe they are headed for the same thing.
Something just doesn't seem right about the way they put this together - too lazy to do their own R&D on a chassis so they piece one together with the worst quality mfg. in the industry.
Now I'm hearing Viper got smoked in field test with Nytro.
It will be real entertainment watching all the new owners retrofit their under-developed iron with their homemade remedies - like the Nytro.
Hype is great, but real world performance speaks volumes.
I recall all the trouble they had with front end config on the Nytro and can't help but believe they are headed for the same thing.
Something just doesn't seem right about the way they put this together - too lazy to do their own R&D on a chassis so they piece one together with the worst quality mfg. in the industry.
Now I'm hearing Viper got smoked in field test with Nytro.
It will be real entertainment watching all the new owners retrofit their under-developed iron with their homemade remedies - like the Nytro.
Hype is great, but real world performance speaks volumes.
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I'm not a fan of this "marriage", but it's way to early to come to any conclusions on the sled. It hasn't even gone into production yet! Let's give it a fair shake next season.
I have not been to Ty in along time just too much baseless outrage messed up headcases good thing Mr Sled shut them down no facts what so ever just ranting. I'm betting the Viper will be a fine sled when it hits the snow next season Yamaha not going to release a problematic sled. Not sure if AC guys ranting or Yamaha guys or both but they need to get their heads screwed on right & cut the baseless crap give the Viper a chance. AC has a lot to learn about Yamaha MFG quality control & will be benefical to them. Yamaha will shut down line production in a New York nano second if line quailty does not meet standards. People need to have faith that TRF will raise thier game as contracted by Yamaha.
I could not agree with you more!!!
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