BRP sues Arctic Cat

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mride460

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indy_500 said:
No I like my cranks to last longer than 5000 miles
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again, speaking from experience... 8000 miles on an 06-800R, nothing but new reeds. 13,800 miles on an 07-600sdi, nothing but reeds. 7800 miles on an 05-500ss, nothing but spark plugs and belts. 5000 miles on an 05-550f, plugs & belts. Just put new reeds in the 06-600sdi Gade and rolled 6000 miles last night in the park across the road.
I did have a crank go out though. My 16yr old daughters 2002 Z370f. The crank, as I type is at MidWest Crank in Green Bay having their center seal/oil drive update being done. Oh and that cat crank lasted a whopping 900 miles!!! The 02 Z440f runs like a champ still @ 2800 miles.

Done arguing with the Indy-Kid. Just looked at his profile and realized he has no personal basis nor experience to be arguing the lifespan of Rotax motors. Maybe once he has owned 20 or 30 machines of different makes we can debate stuff..

I think we're all getting bored and cranky due to lack of snow!!!
 
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mride460 said:
again, speaking from experience... 8000 miles on an 06-800R, nothing but new reeds. 13,800 miles on an 07-600sdi, nothing but reeds. 7800 miles on an 05-500ss, nothing but spark plugs and belts. 5000 miles on an 05-550f, plugs & belts. Just put new reeds in the 06-600sdi Gade and rolled 6000 miles last night in the park across the road.
I did have a crank go out though. My 16yr old daughters 2002 Z370f. The crank, as I type is at MidWest Crank in Green Bay having their center seal/oil drive update being done. Oh and that cat crank lasted a whopping 900 miles!!! The 02 Z440f runs like a champ still @ 2800 miles.

I THINK WE ARE ALL GETTING BORED AND NEED LOTS OF SNOW!!!
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8000 on my 93 indy trail
8000 on my 99 indy 500
7000 on my 99 xc 700

My dad got 14000 out of an 87 indy trail

Where are we going with this?
 
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indy_500 said:
8000 on my 93 indy trail
8000 on my 99 indy 500
7000 on my 99 xc 700

My dad got 14000 out of an 87 indy trail

Where are we going with this?
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YOU MADE THE DUMB UNINFORMED 16 YEAR OLD STATEMENT THAT SKI DOO CRANKS DON'T LAST OVER 5000 MILES. Thats where were going...
Don't bash brands, especially when you've never owned one.
 
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mride460 said:
YOU MADE THE DUMB UNINFORMED 16 YEAR OLD STATEMENT THAT SKI DOO CRANKS DON'T LAST OVER 5000 MILES. Thats where were going...
Don't bash brands, especially when you've never owned one.
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Ski Doo made the dumb decision and made sleds with isoflex crank bearings. You can't tell me that they are better than a non-sealed crank bearing.
 
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indy_500 said:
Ski Doo made the dumb decision and made sleds with isoflex crank bearings. You can't tell me that they are better than a non-sealed crank bearing.
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I'm out of here. Why all this brand BS? Indy, people are fustrated enough with low snow won't take much to go to outright brand bashing & a time out for breaking rules. :(
 
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whitedust said:
I'm out of here. Why all this brand BS? Indy, people are fustrated enough with low snow won't take much to go to outright brand bashing & a time out for breaking rules. :(
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He bashed Cat. I stood up for cat. Don't see what I did wrong.
 
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indy_500 said:
Ski Doo made the dumb decision and made sleds with isoflex crank bearings. You can't tell me that they are better than a non-sealed crank bearing.
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You are completely missing my point. I'm not debating bearings of one kind or the other. I'm debating the all-encompassing statements you make.
Ive ridden tens of thousands of miles on both Doo and AC machines of all engine sizes over the last 20 years. Out of all that riding I have had only two burn downs. An 04 Sabercat 700EXT (oil light sending unit failed and I ran it dry) and an 06 Renegade 1000sdi (oil pump failed).

Most of us out here don't make technical statements about machines and motors we have never owned and ridden ourselves.
I have friends that ride only Polaris like you seem to. They have all had burn downs for one reason or the other, but you don't see me out here saying every Polaris is junk and going to burn down. I don't ride nor own Polaris' so I don't bash them...
 
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indy_500 said:
He bashed Cat. I stood up for cat. Don't see what I did wrong.
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Please point me to where I bashed cat. "They haven't produced anything great in ten years" is what I said. Ski doo IMO has with the rev and the 600 etec. The procross and climb look like the real deal, but I don't jump on a wagon until its out on the consumer market for some time...

Plus, having owned a dozen or so cats over the last 20 years I believe I have purchased the right to talk whatever I want about AC!!
 
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ezra said:
cat has been beating the sh** out of that chassi for over a yr.guys like hibbert have been out all last winter and this summer pounding them harder than most could dream of having the skill to do.
cat is not the one with the reputation of letting there consumers do the testing for them and neither is doo
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I have a question you may be able to answer. I know all of the "big 4" do it a little different as far as what chassis the general public gets to buy compared to what the OEM race teams get. I have heard that what the real "race" teams get is a bit beefier than the consumer offerings that are sold as race sled models in the dealers.
So, is Hibbert and LaVallee and the rest really beating the heck out of the same version that we regular guys can go buy? I often read in mags that the test sleds they get will receive final tweaks and refinements before release to the dealers. Is it the same as far as what the racers are getting also?
 
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Come on guys give Indy a break. He's read a lot of stuff on the internet and personally put a ton of miles on some low HP sleds...

And just to set the record straight I have owned all 4 brands and if I were to buy a new sled this year it would have been the ProRMK hands down (the ProClimb would have made my list if they had an uncoupled 146" equivalent track)...


On a more related note, I was looking over the following page for the ProClimb a couple weeks ago (before the suit came out), and here is the list I came up with:

http://arcticcat.com/snow/technology/proclimb/


Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:16 PM
Subject: New Cat


Just reading about the new ProClimb... Seems a lot of just pulling parts/ideas of other sleds including a large portion of power transfer from a superior (Doo) chassis.


From Polaris:
"PRO" Name

From Doo:
Triangulated Upper Spar Assembly (almost identical frame to the XP)
Arctic Drive System (relocated the secondary to the jackshaft and sets the clutches up just like the XP)
Torque Control Link (after market clutch brace that everyone adds to their XP)
RER (like all brands now have)

From Yamaha:
weight specifications (on the 4S)


Where is the snow!!!????!!!
 
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blutooth said:
Come on guys give Indy a break. He's read a lot of stuff on the internet and personally put a ton of miles on some low HP sleds...QUOTE]

I do applaud what Indy has and has done and learned at such a young age. Sounds like he has worked hard for what he has, and did it on his own.
Thats more than most adults do these days...

blutooth said:
And just to set the record straight I have owned all 4 brands and if I were to buy a new sled this year it would have been the ProRMK hands down (the ProClimb would have made my list if they had an uncoupled 146" equivalent track)... QUOTE]

My buddy just picked up his new ProRMK last week. Its pretty B.A. Took it for a quick rip across his front lawn. Pretty sweet! of course I would lean toward the FreeRide!! maybe even an XF800 next season!! lol
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Cat created A-arm front suspension. If it wasn't for them you'd still be riding sleds with trailing arms (wait... I still am :) ) They also created the first 4-stroke sled in 02 (although the sleds from the dinosaur ages were 4-strokes). Yam and Poo came out with 4s in 03.
 
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