2021 Polaris

[1fujifilm]

That’s a great deal. I stand corrected

That sounds great, some Poo guys are getting hosed big time!
Of course, you have to find a dealer than doesn't add set-up, freight and excessive doc fees ($100 or less is fine, for others that is).

Bear

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My last sled I bought new was $2500 off msrp which is the same deal they give everyone who walks in the door plus another $1000 off from my golden ticket from purchasing a new sled the year before for a total of $3500. Turned my $14000 msrp sled into $10,500.

That sounds great, some Poo guys are getting hosed big time!
Of course, you have to find a dealer than doesn't add set-up, freight and excessive doc fees ($100 or less is fine, for others that is).

Bear

 

[1fujifilm]

No response on your 2021 Doo spring order price of $2975 off msrp?...LMAO...just another doolusion.

I can believe it but it is even better than what I can get, nice work.
It "could" be based on a 21 XRS 850 (or 900 turbo) with the remote shock controls and some add on accessories with an MSRP of about $17,000 plus freight and set-up on top of that (my estimation).
Maybe Yenann can comment?

Bear

 

[snobuilder]

I can believe it but it is even better than what I can get, nice work.
It "could" be based on a 21 XRS 850 (or 900 turbo) with the remote shock controls and some add on accessories with an MSRP of about $17,000 plus freight and set-up on top of that (my estimation).
Maybe Yenann can comment?

Bear

Not even seeing that kind of discount on any sort a leftovers this year. Inventories are very tight as compared to when you and I both got the "Ken's special"...LOL

....as far as mpg, we were seeing an all time high on the Poo 800 Rush and Switchback (Apex and Nytro as well) the past 2 trips up here in Feb. ....17 mpg riding much like you described you doo yourself.

The new 650 is one I will keep an eye on ....would love to see another production glut like a few years ago.....I'm such a cheapskate.

 

[eagle1]

Here's good vid. Sleds looks really good in my opinion.

 

[ezra]

I'm down with the progression of Poo sleds, great to see. I am sure positive progress is occurring.
I don't like the snowmobile business model Poo uses; $250 for E-Start (especially on the 800-850 line), $250 for painted rails, $250 for painted tunnel.. it's ridiculous. I built an 850 and it was $1,150 higher than an XRS.
Paying more up-front and then taking a higher depreciation hit at sale-time, not my vision of value; not to mention gas/oil consumption 25% worse than Doo.

Bear

I call b.s. on oil and gas . I ride with a few 800 and 850 poo and my 850 summit is pretty much the same at fillups for fuel and oil.

 

[6mile]

I call b.s. on oil and gas . I ride with a few 800 and 850 poo and my 850 summit is pretty much the same at fillups for fuel and oil.

The actual difference in our group is always within .5 gallons at each fill up.

What I would like to know is why did the SKS 155 get downgraded shocks?

 

[Paul@Pat's]

We are very excited about the release from Polaris. Everyone that has spent some time on the new Matryx VR1 loves it. I have copied and pasted the ride impressions from Snowtech Magazine below.

"We’ve just completed five days of riding and learning about the new 2021 Polaris MATRYX models during the last week of February. When you look at the sled sitting there on the snow and listen to the Polaris engineers and marketing representatives tell you about what changed and why, it doesn’t immediately seem to be THAT different. In some ways it sounds like Polaris is doing what Ski-Doo did with their Gen 4 REV, allowing the rider to get further forward and wrap around the cowling more. In that sense the changes are indeed logical.

But then you hop on the sleds and ride them. After riding various AXYS sleds for the past six years, you INSTANTLY notice the difference. It actually defies logic in that you can’t believe it would be that much easier to ride, that much more confident, that much improved. It feels so natural, so intuitive, so easy.

You figure it must be that single sled is super tuned, so you hop on another MATRYX. Once again, you are amazed at how well it handles, how smooth the ride is, how much less energy you are using to go fast. You can’t help but get a bit giddy."

That is a pretty glowing review. I have been told by people that have ridden it that it is the best sled they have ever ridden. I have not heard anyone that has seen the sled in person complain about the looks. I have heard it looks mean, great looking sled, etc. We are looking forward to getting down to Wausau to the sneak peak and talking with people about the Polaris line up.

For the gas and oil discussion, I have copied and pasted the specs of the 650 engine below from Snowtech also.

"Instead of just making a smaller bore motor, Polaris took aim at providing many of the benefits that 4-stroke motors provide – especially since they don’t offer a 4-stroke. Their strategy behind this new motor is to offer all the advantages a 2-stroke has over a 4-stroke and tune it so it delivers comparable fuel economy at low to mid-range throttle running. It has been designed to provide outstanding durability with smooth and quiet operation, and it is calibrated to run its best on 87-octane fuel – a huge cost savings for high-mile riders.

Polaris tells us the 650 approaches their competitor’s 4-stroke fuel economy at 25 to 45 mph. Compared to the Liberty 600 users will experience 10% more power and 14% more torque with 20%+ mpg improvement @ steady state 45 mph and 50%+ mpg improvement@ steady state 25 mph operation."

Also it sounds like there are some concerns about trade value from Polaris compared to a Ski Doo. I pulled the NADA book out and did a comparison for model year, 18 and 19 with similar MSRP numbers and models and I am not able to find a kick in the pants difference either way. It fluctuates by model, motor, etc, but it varies plus or minus $500 either way. If anyone has any questions please give us a call and we will be happy to answer any of your questions.
Thank you

 

[dwz]

Thanks for posting info. Paul, getting excited to snow check!

 

[Yenann]

I can believe it but it is even better than what I can get, nice work.
It "could" be based on a 21 XRS 850 (or 900 turbo) with the remote shock controls and some add on accessories with an MSRP of about $17,000 plus freight and set-up on top of that (my estimation).
Maybe Yenann can comment?

Bear

Dealer just called and asked if I wanted new gauge? I said yes that was on my build sheet. He said he forgot. So with the accessories I added on line and what im going to pay Is coming to 2175 off what website quoted me. Bash away. Which is right in line with what my two previous snow checks were.

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Online build is 17,218. the quoted dealer price is 15,045. That is without tax

 

[1fujifilm]

Dealer just called and asked if I wanted new gauge? I said yes that was on my build sheet. He said he forgot. So with the accessories I added on line and what im going to pay Is coming to 2175 off what website quoted me. Bash away. Which is right in line with what my two previous snow checks were.

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Online build is 17,218. the quoted dealer price is 15,045. That is without tax

I believe you, some others "Aren't in the know".
I hope you like the gauge, at $850 I am too cheap to deal with it plus I will only ride it 1,500 miles prior to selling it.

Bear

 

[1fujifilm]

I call b.s. on oil and gas . I ride with a few 800 and 850 poo and my 850 summit is pretty much the same at fillups for fuel and oil.

I guess we will have to disagree then, we can't always agree...it's fine.

I have had 8 850 Gades since launch in 2017 and they have been quite consistent 14.5MPG'ish on first tank and 18.5ish after that.
There are the following variables to consider;
-Every 850 Doo I owned had a 137 ice-ripper.
-I don't ride off-trail, mostly trails north of Watersmeet, MI (some WI though, maybe 20%).
-I don't spin the track at stop signs.
-I see 100 once in a while but generally stay at a top speed of 80MPH on grade stretches between stop signs.

I even bought a new 18 800 Pro-S last year with short track, better look for gas at 100 miles on that thing..or else not to mention oil.

Oh yeah, I keep my belt and chain-case adjusted every trip, so easy; love that design.

Bear

 

[snobuilder]

I guess we will have to disagree then, we can't always agree...it's fine.

I have had 8 850 Gades since launch in 2017 and they have been quite consistent 14.5MPG'ish on first tank and 18.5ish after that.
There are the following variables to consider;
-Every 850 Doo I owned had a 137 ice-ripper.
-I don't ride off-trail, mostly trails north of Watersmeet, MI (some WI though, maybe 20%).
-I don't spin the track at stop signs.
-I see 100 once in a while but generally stay at a top speed of 80MPH on grade stretches between stop signs.

I even bought a new 18 800 Pro-S last year with short track, better look for gas at 100 miles on that thing..or else not to mention oil.

Oh yeah, I keep my belt and chain-case adjusted every trip, so easy; love that design.

Bear

In bold , fugi , you are sooooo wrong.
600+ miles on a tank of oil and 140-150 miles on a tank a gas is easy peasy without getting nervous....Unlike your couple hundred miles of 2018 Polaris 800 ho life, i have 9300 on the 2015 and 1900 on the 2018. never less than 14.5 mpg and 17 lately. We run. 30-50 in the twisties and 60-80 in the easy....Simply put, You doo guys are a pathetic cult.

BTW the 2015 ran the same hyfax for 8000 miles and never needed a belt change...2018 looks to be doing as well.


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Jezuz....I hope like ell Poolaris over produces the Matryx....It can only be a positive in the realm of surpassing the boring ski doos.

 

[slimcake]

Alright I gotta speak up for my friend Fuji. This January we went for a ride. 300 mile day. I was leading and I am a lot more into the flipper than Fuji. BUTTTT. Every fill up he was a few gallons less than me. Plus my oil light came on at 220 miles. Now my 2019 xc 850 is rich and I coulda got the 2020 tune to help but still snobuilder this 850 ain't like your 800. I did the v500 on my pro-s 800 and only needed a quart of oil besides the tank to do that. My 850 is rich compared to that sled. I am not complaining because horsepower!! But still Fuji is speaking from what we experienced. The poo 850 2020 tune would be different but I am very happy with my sled. Fuji would tell ya I was almost a cigarette ahead of him most stops.... Chase me Fuji!!!! Lol

 

[snobuilder]

Alright I gotta speak up for my friend Fuji. This January we went for a ride. 300 mile day. I was leading and I am a lot more into the flipper than Fuji. BUTTTT. Every fill up he was a few gallons less than me. Plus my oil light came on at 220 miles. Now my 2019 xc 850 is rich and I coulda got the 2020 tune to help but still snobuilder this 850 ain't like your 800. I did the v500 on my pro-s 800 and only needed a quart of oil besides the tank to do that. My 850 is rich compared to that sled. I am not complaining because horsepower!! But still Fuji is speaking from what we experienced. The poo 850 2020 tune would be different but I am very happy with my sled. Fuji would tell ya I was almost a cigarette ahead of him most stops.... Chase me Fuji!!!! Lol

All I was replying to was that fugi referred to the 800 pro s he owned for as long as a cigarette break....LOL

 

[snowchief]

2021 POLARIS, can't wait to see one of these maytrx sleds in person, really excited for the new gauge, hopefully after next year I'll be ready for one but thinking my wife might Trump me she seems to be getting more active in riding and a new 650 might be the perfect fit for me for a trail I mean for her for trail riding lol

 

[1fujifilm]

All I was replying to was that fugi referred to the 800 pro s he owned for as long as a cigarette break....LOL

That is true, I believe I had in the 800 mile range on the 18 Pro-S when it sold.
Being an owner of both sleds allows be to compare the MPG among other things. The Doo 850 is substantially better on mileage than a Poo 800..in my experiences

I won't critique your experiences because I believe you; why wouldn't I, you average 25 MPH on your trips and the MPG's sound reasonable.

My latest experience I did not mention is I got a new 2020 850 Gade ADR on 2/20 and rode it mostly Eagle River, WI and up to see P.D. in Mass City, MI R/T and got 14.8 on the first two tanks with an average of 38 MPH. I put a total of 350ish miles and never put oil in and the tank easily had 1/3 remaining.

Just my experience, Bear

 

[1fujifilm]

Fuji would tell ya I was almost a cigarette ahead of him most stops.... Chase me Fuji!!!! Lol

That is true, always waiting for me; good thing Karl wasn't there, he keeps the crew riding even faster!
I want to ride with you, Karl and Polaris Dan; you guys would be interesting to see together.

Bear

 

[old abe]

Alright I gotta speak up for my friend Fuji. This January we went for a ride. 300 mile day. I was leading and I am a lot more into the flipper than Fuji. BUTTTT. Every fill up he was a few gallons less than me. Plus my oil light came on at 220 miles. Now my 2019 xc 850 is rich and I coulda got the 2020 tune to help but still snobuilder this 850 ain't like your 800. I did the v500 on my pro-s 800 and only needed a quart of oil besides the tank to do that. My 850 is rich compared to that sled. I am not complaining because horsepower!! But still Fuji is speaking from what we experienced. The poo 850 2020 tune would be different but I am very happy with my sled. Fuji would tell ya I was almost a cigarette ahead of him most stops.... Chase me Fuji!!!! Lol

Seems pretty close, 20/850 Indy, 7.7, 19/850 Doo Rene, 5.9 Both 137

 

[tsg]

Ok getting back on topic here, the 2021 Polaris lineup, new offerings, custom build options, are great. Great for the consumer, the sport, and great for the Polaris loyalists. Expensive yes, but that can be dissected a number of different ways.

Disclosure; current holdings, 2, 2019 850 Ski Doo's, 129x and 129TNT, 1 2017 129 600X, and a 19 Polaris EVO. Not brand loyal, and somewhat of a bargain hunter and flipper like FUJI.

Regarding 2021 prices, I work with a reputable multi brand dealer, in fact a dealer that had all four lines until they decided to part ways with CAT/Textron, and Yamaha for snowmobiles only. Feeling is that the Cat and Yamaha sled split was not really a loss, as they always had leftovers of each and dealt with other related problems, from what i heard.

So, priced out 3 new 2021 ski doo's and 3 new Polaris models, all different but all 850 engines. No trade.

Without getting into too many details, pricing was as follows:

Ski Doo - roughly 14% off build msrp, only tax and registration

Polaris - about 11% off build msrp, with only tax and registration.

So, with what I am looking for, based on my Polaris builds and what ski doo offers, a Polaris sled vs. SD was at a minimum[/B], $700 more per sled. 21 SD 129 red X, no quick adjust, 1.25, and regular gauge vs nicely built 850 XC 129, 1.35 track, colored rails and spindles, normal gauge was about 900 more. Remove colored rails and spindles 700 more. 129 XRS vs Launch and VR1 higher spread, with VR1 the highest. (know Polaris comes with new gauge, which i am not interested in, SD's either)

Just was noting what I personally have encountered, and plus and minuses of each can be debated, but still buyer discretion is what matters. To save some $$$ to cover studding, etc. and keep my Linq accessories functional, may stay with SD. However Polaris really seems to have put together some really good programs and products, and has continued to put the heat directly on SD. Trail market share has got to be narrowing!

 

[snobuilder]

That is true, I believe I had in the 800 mile range on the 18 Pro-S when it sold.
Being an owner of both sleds allows be to compare the MPG among other things. The Doo 850 is substantially better on mileage than a Poo 800..in my experiences

I won't critique your experiences because I believe you; why wouldn't I, you average 25 MPH on your trips and the MPG's sound reasonable.

My latest experience I did not mention is I got a new 2020 850 Gade ADR on 2/20 and rode it mostly Eagle River, WI and up to see P.D. in Mass City, MI R/T and got 14.8 on the first two tanks with an average of 38 MPH. I put a total of 350ish miles and never put oil in and the tank easily had 1/3 remaining.

Just my experience, Bear

@ 9.5 gallons the Doo 850 range is severely limited at my trail speeds where, from what I am sifting out with a few honest Doo owners comments as well as sled mag reports is well within what I am averaging with the Poo 800 with my 12 gallon tank.
Oil is a non issue as well. The Poo tank is a gallon and like I mentioned easily 600 miles of range. Not many will find that range a problem at all.