I have a question to both naysayers and sayers

[jime]

many opinions here. little info.
and whoever said that map is treated like a sports score board or maybe like a political score board (frivolity) is on the money.
testing for antibodies instead of virus could be more comforting. as in a bunch of immune people running around, stay tuned.

 

[euphoric1]

Ask that same question about the regular flu

THANK YOU VERY MUCH dfattack!! 250,000 - 500,000 a year die from regular flu! and how do we act? certainly not like this! so I hope someone has an answer for this question, guess I better start prepping for next year and the year after that and the year after that and so on and so on and so on

the original question to dfattack's response was " so I have a question.... How many people do you need to see get sick or die before some kind of action is taken???"

 

[uncle_ed]

New Chinese flu every couple years and sooner or later they will brew one up that will have catostrophic mortality rates. Their wet markets need to be shut down!
Here is a worthy 9 minute watch on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

 

[DamageInc]

Italy had 475 deaths Yesterday (Wednesday) up from 345 the day before. Up 40% in one day. Yes, Italy is more densely populated, but still this is serious. The US I believe is a couple weeks behind Italy. This is what is trying to be prevented. Learning from what has already happened elsewhere. Look at the statistics on the link below.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Italy has a lot of elderly, a culture that is not nearly as careful about hygiene as people generally are in the States (especially in hospitals), and lower quality healthcare (regardless of any BS ratings from WHO). It's apples to oranges.

Yeah, it can be a dangerous virus, just like the typical flu that we see EVERY year. Shelter those at high risk (until a vaccine is available), and everyone else go on about our daily lives. The only thing unprecedented here is the insane level of panic. It's far more dangerous than the virus.

 

[1fujifilm]

I have a question, everyone who has read my posts on this covid-19 action knows my stance... a serious overreaction, and I still stand by that opinion. I have a question for both those that share the same opinion as I have and those that don't. I will start with a statement before I ask the question.

The WHO (world health organization) estimates that 250,000 - 500,000 people die "EACH" year from the influenza virus we encounter year after year, and keep in mind this is something we have vaccines and treatments in place for, and it affects primarily the same age group as the covid-19 is especially fatal to, yet the world goes on, the economy for the most part goes unaffected by it.

Somewhere between 20,000 - 60,000 people die in our own country from the influenza virus each year with same treatments, from same age group primarily and the world goes on as stated in first listed above.

So far less than 9000 people have died world wide from covid-19 including places and countries that have seen the virus at such a unprecedented extreme scale and the world economy is on one of its worst downfalls

So far a little more than 100 people have died in our country, most of which occurred under one roof in the state of Washington, and our economy once strong has TANKED and the worse is yet to come according to officials, I think we are headed to an economic downfall that we as individuals and as a country are not prepared for and am afraid how far it will go.

We are whether you like it or not desocializing society which will have its own ramifications that we yet know as to what extent and to what extreme it will go.

Looking at what I have stated above I want those that think this is an overreaction and those that think we are doing the right thing to think about the question I am about to ask and to rsespond without bashing or criticizing one anothers opinion. I also want to state that as an society death should never become accepted or ignored. Here is my question.


Lets say that in the end 50,000 people die world wide or even 100,000 and lets say fatalities fall way short on our soil of what the influenza virus kills each and every year. How do react from here on out? as the flu virus comes back each year and on average kills 200,000 people world wide, what do we do? do we act as we are? if we don't are we putting a closed eye at the inevidable ? I still think this is an overreaction and am curious for those that think the same or don't think how we should approach flu season next year.

Did you say Naysayers?
From Seinfeld;

"Well, you made a long journey from Milan to Minsk, Rochelle, Rochelle. You never stopped hoping; now you're in a Pinsk, Rochelle, Rochelle. When the naysayers 'nay' you picked up your pace. You said nothing's going to stop me so get out of my face. I'm having adventures all over the place, Rochelle, ROCHELLE!"

Bear

 

[frnash]

So apparently (click →) President Trump will will now use the WW2 era Defense Production Act to force manufacturers to produce the necessary medical supplies, as was done with aircraft and tank production for the war.

President Trump’s next step will be to issue an executive order reactivating the WW2 era …
(click →) Office of Price Administration (OPA),
to once again issue …
(click →) ration books, stamps and tokens …
to prevent hoarding.

“Rationing will win the war, with ‘Meatless Meals’, ‘Wheatless Wednesdays‘ and ‘TP-less Thursdays’ “!

 

[old abe]

President Trump’s next step will be to issue an executive order reactivating the WW2 era …
(click →) Office of Price Administration (OPA),
to once again issue …
(click →) ration books, stamps and tokens …
to prevent hoarding.

“Rationing will win the war, with ‘Meatless Meals’, ‘Wheatless Wednesdays‘ and ‘TP-less Thursdays’ “!

Good one!

 

[towtruck]

totally agree, you present facts regarding the #s and the danger- and John you are so kind to the yappers that don't really know anything medically (myself included) or even have the #s but still have these strong opinions somehow-In 1918 with a population of only 102,000,000 people, we lost 675,000 people to the Flu in the US, which could have been a much smaller # if people would have listened to the health experts at the time,which was "wash your hands-keep your distance even if you feel fine" I am even keeping distance from my own family -which they fully support!!! I think it's because of the virus but I am not sure!!! take care everyone - I wish you all the best

 

[Tracker]

I have a question, everyone who has read my posts on this covid-19 action knows my stance... a serious overreaction, and I still stand by that opinion. I have a question for both those that share the same opinion as I have and those that don't. I will start with a statement before I ask the question.

The WHO (world health organization) estimates that 250,000 - 500,000 people die "EACH" year from the influenza virus we encounter year after year, and keep in mind this is something we have vaccines and treatments in place for, and it affects primarily the same age group as the covid-19 is especially fatal to, yet the world goes on, the economy for the most part goes unaffected by it.

Somewhere between 20,000 - 60,000 people die in our own country from the influenza virus each year with same treatments, from same age group primarily and the world goes on as stated in first listed above.

So far less than 9000 people have died world wide from covid-19 including places and countries that have seen the virus at such a unprecedented extreme scale and the world economy is on one of its worst downfalls

So far a little more than 100 people have died in our country, most of which occurred under one roof in the state of Washington, and our economy once strong has TANKED and the worse is yet to come according to officials, I think we are headed to an economic downfall that we as individuals and as a country are not prepared for and am afraid how far it will go.

We are whether you like it or not desocializing society which will have its own ramifications that we yet know as to what extent and to what extreme it will go.

Looking at what I have stated above I want those that think this is an overreaction and those that think we are doing the right thing to think about the question I am about to ask and to rsespond without bashing or criticizing one anothers opinion. I also want to state that as an society death should never become accepted or ignored. Here is my question.


Lets say that in the end 50,000 people die world wide or even 100,000 and lets say fatalities fall way short on our soil of what the influenza virus kills each and every year. How do react from here on out? as the flu virus comes back each year and on average kills 200,000 people world wide, what do we do? do we act as we are? if we don't are we putting a closed eye at the inevidable ? I still think this is an overreaction and am curious for those that think the same or don't think how we should approach flu season next year.

Well said...I agree

 

[dfattack]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH dfattack!! 250,000 - 500,000 a year die from regular flu! and how do we act? certainly not like this! so I hope someone has an answer for this question, guess I better start prepping for next year and the year after that and the year after that and so on and so on and so on

the original question to dfattack's response was " so I have a question.... How many people do you need to see get sick or die before some kind of action is taken???"

I think it won't be too long and people are going to say enough is enough. Businesses can only stay closed for so long. The feds don't have enough money to keep my businesses going along with every other business that is being impacted. I'm close to being in the group that will have to deal with paid time off and then get reimbursed by the government quarterly. So I have to float the money for 3 month's?

Yes, this is a serious situation, but so is the annual flu...according to the statistics. What I believe is more serious is what is happening before our very eyes with the countries (and world's) economy and our own citizens ability to pay their bills on time and not live in fear. This over reaction is insane and must NOT become the new NORM for how we react to the next virus that shows up on our shores. It's going to happen and our country is going to get through this...this time, but it's not sustainable on an annual basis. So the question really is...what are we going to do next time? There will be a next time...it's the world we live in. Our response certainly cannot be what we are going through now.

 

[durphee]

So your saying we don’t do enough for the flu?

 

[WorkHardPlayHrd]

I am what you consider high risk. I'm a 9 year chronic chemo patient. I'm in a hospital at least once a week. What is happening in my opinion is wrong. Those of us that need to can find ways to avoid crowds, but to force a society as a whole to these measures will have long term devastating effects to many people. Yes death is devastating, but so is destroying someone's livelihood. Some people/businesses will not recover from this. With what California announced this evening I'm afraid this country is heading in the direction of Italy. I'm afraid that this will cause a rash of suicides as some people watch their livelihoods get destroyed through no fault of there own.

At what point do we draw a line. This will cause families to splinter as people already under stress take out their frustrations on those they love the most. My kids came home from school on Monday and my 12 year old outright asked me if I was going to die of the virus. My husband's response the same as it is about my cancer " your mother is to stubborn and ornery to die!". The last thing I need is my kids terrified of living life.

Do we need to be educated and think about other's yes. But the answer is not to harm so many people in the long run. The effects to the market and economy are devastating. We need to find a way to protect people without uprooting and harming the lives of others.

 

[euphoric1]

So your saying we don’t do enough for the flu?

I don't think its that we don't do enough for the flu, what is going to happen and how are we going to react, and why haven't we reacted this way each time the flu season arrives when it kills up to 500,00 people globally annually? this is acceptable and what we have now isn't?

- - - Updated - - -

I am what you consider high risk. I'm a 9 year chronic chemo patient. I'm in a hospital at least once a week. What is happening in my opinion is wrong. Those of us that need to can find ways to avoid crowds, but to force a society as a whole to these measures will have long term devastating effects to many people. Yes death is devastating, but so is destroying someone's livelihood. Some people/businesses will not recover from this. With what California announced this evening I'm afraid this country is heading in the direction of Italy. I'm afraid that this will cause a rash of suicides as some people watch their livelihoods get destroyed through no fault of there own.

At what point do we draw a line. This will cause families to splinter as people already under stress take out their frustrations on those they love the most. My kids came home from school on Monday and my 12 year old outright asked me if I was going to die of the virus. My husband's response the same as it is about my cancer " your mother is to stubborn and ornery to die!". The last thing I need is my kids terrified of living life.

Do we need to be educated and think about other's yes. But the answer is not to harm so many people in the long run. The effects to the market and economy are devastating. We need to find a way to protect people without uprooting and harming the lives of others.

a sentiment Im sure shared by many, WELL PUT!

 

[mrbb]

well, as for the flu, when that hits MY area, I hate to say it, folks here DO panic like this, same as if they call for any BAD weather(its as if they will never get to a store again)
So you go to small town local market, and the store will be almost all out of bread ,milk, eggs and crap. panic sets in so fast any more on trivial things.

FOLKS today just get over excited and over react on all things,
be them bad or even GOOD anymore!

everyone loves the internet and social media, but hate to say it, without it , most folks maybe wouldn;t even know STATS on anything, or EVEN THINK they know half the crap they THINK they do cause they read it online,(not even knowing if what they read was RIGHT< they NOW think they know something)
and then they hear about BAD things and begin to worry about them to extreme's and pass on there views online which fuels even more into thinking THERE WAY!

so like it or not, WE are all guilty of causing this over reactions on all things
we all add to the mix being on the world wide web adding our 2 cents, which most times causes someone to either agree to disagree and POST it and so on, and sure seems like NO one wants to be out done , and everyone seems to THINK there views are the RIGHT one's all else should almost HAVE to follow, or a big bad debate starts up!
thus adding more ammo to a event or what ever is happening, and it travels world wide in the blink of an eye!

and everyone today wanting to be famous, videoing everything, and posting it online
its only making matters worse IMO

I think we all could use a big dose of time away from the world wide web,. just doubt it will ever happen unless TECH stops it!

so, over reacting, NOT reacting enough??
there will never be a RIGHT way to handle anything any more, when so many will be on the flip side of things, face it FOLKS will never agree on anything, and as more and more people exist, the population will grow on both sides of anything
its only going to get worse,
SO maybe like so many other things we USED to care about and NOW DON"T,(shame and pride seem to MIA In many these days too)
or we have just become numb to,
I gather we better get used to this over reacting to things, I fore see it being the" NEW, THING to DO!"
sad, but true , and
its only going to get worse IMO

 

[snobuilder]

I didn't panic buy anything yet.....except the Jameson of course.

I am glad to be able to access all sort of credible stats on past flu epidemics because without it we are doomed even further by them who want this crisis to multiply and totally ruin the economy and of course, Trump.

 

[G]

Nobody knows how many people have this virus. Nobody knows how many people have had this virus and recovered from it. So it is impossible to come up with a mortality rate. Any mortality rate that you may see anywhere is fantasy. If Hitler were still alive he would really be getting a charge out of the manipulation of the masses.

 

[old abe]

Yes he would grub! And on both sides!

 

[slimcake]

Nobody knows how many people have this virus. Nobody knows how many people have had this virus and recovered from it. So it is impossible to come up with a mortality rate. Any mortality rate that you may see anywhere is fantasy. If Hitler were still alive he would really be getting a charge out of the manipulation of the masses.

And we have a Hitler name drop... LOL I stayed out of this for as long as I could. My wife was tested tuesday and thankfully it came back negative yesterday. So back to work for me. I bought us supper from the bar/grill up town last night. It was handed to me through the front window of the place. IDK how places like that are going to survive. Thought I better patronize the place. I saw they found a cure for the covid-19 virus. Throw you TV out the window!! Problem solved. Im sure there is some reason to be nervous but come on? Shutting down entire industries and crashing our economy? What a dream for the chinamen!! Now maybe people will understand what Trump was trying to do with the china problem. When everything you need is being produced by your enemy?? What do you think is going to happen? This problem will have ongoing effects that we won't understand for years. Think of all the components to make things that need to come from china? Maybe he is right and deserves some credit for trying to bring these products back to MFG in AMERICA!! Saw a good slogan the other day. Our Grandparents fought World War II. We are being asked to sit on our couch for 2 weeks. You can do it!!

 

[xcr440]

And we have a Hitler name drop... LOL I stayed out of this for as long as I could. My wife was tested tuesday and thankfully it came back negative yesterday. So back to work for me. I bought us supper from the bar/grill up town last night. It was handed to me through the front window of the place. IDK how places like that are going to survive. Thought I better patronize the place. I saw they found a cure for the covid-19 virus. Throw you TV out the window!! Problem solved. Im sure there is some reason to be nervous but come on? Shutting down entire industries and crashing our economy? What a dream for the chinamen!! Now maybe people will understand what Trump was trying to do with the china problem. When everything you need is being produced by your enemy?? What do you think is going to happen? This problem will have ongoing effects that we won't understand for years. Think of all the components to make things that need to come from china? Maybe he is right and deserves some credit for trying to bring these products back to MFG in AMERICA!! Saw a good slogan the other day. Our Grandparents fought World War II. We are being asked to sit on our couch for 2 weeks. You can do it!!

I certainly don't want this to become a political mess again - So far, I think things are going about as well as they could, with how this went to full panic. Let's give some credit to the guy, even Cuomo in NY did yesterday. Stop asking stupid questions at press conferences, and as you say, throw the f'n TV out the window!!

I did the same last night with one of my local stops that delivers pizzas - ordered what I would normally eat and tacked on an extra $10 tip - I know its pennies in the grand scheme of things, but for those who have lost most of their business, we have to do what we can.

 

[euphoric1]

Illinois just issued stay put order....here we go folks