I would not worry about draft choices at this point so many Bear changes could happen after Jan 1 see who we get for coaches & GM then worry about draft. It will be interesting to see if next 2 games are as bad as last 2....bush league performances.
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I would not worry about draft choices at this point so many Bear changes could happen after Jan 1 see who we get for coaches & GM then worry about draft. It will be interesting to see if next 2 games are as bad as last 2....bush league performances.
ya know who else had a the same thing's said about him coming out of college as jameis Winston and Russell did?
cam newton.
he turned out to be pretty good.
cam newton.
he turned out to be pretty good.
momoney2123
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Seriously? Cam newton is not a good pocket passer, i wouldnt call him a bust but for a #1 pick, its disapointing. He did mature alot, but as far as a pocker passer, he has regressed. they had to dumb down the offense for him. If cam newton is jamies winston's upside, id take my chances with someone else. Defenses have figured out the read option. Kaeprinick, RG3, cam, etc.....are stuggling big time. There is one way to be a consistantly great QB....from the pocket.
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Yea the whole locker room appears to have given up on trestman. Id expect 2 losses for sure. no way they beat detriot and minnesota will prolly beat them too. i hope so at least. give us a top 8 pick.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5ICIAw&usg=AFQjCNGCR1Yhmbc4C_UXF0n0xJY0WBX0Fw
Momoney going into this year Cam was ranked 8th best in the nfl. That's out of 32 my friend.
Not to shabby considering he never has had respectable WR's and he's also their best running threat.
If you're thinking you are getting the next Montana or Marino,,,,well good luck with that.
Momoney going into this year Cam was ranked 8th best in the nfl. That's out of 32 my friend.
Not to shabby considering he never has had respectable WR's and he's also their best running threat.
If you're thinking you are getting the next Montana or Marino,,,,well good luck with that.
momoney2123
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He made an improvement last year as they dumbed down the offense and was part of a great defense, which takes a ton of pressure off the QB. And going into this year, the read option was still thought of as a successful way to run an offense. Not anymore, defenses have caught on and have shutdown every read option qb this year including scam. he is only going to get worse. Not looking for joe montana ace, altho the bears are due for a elite QB. id take someone like big ben, flacco, rivers. the guys in the 2nd tier. Im sorry but scam is not in the second tier of pocket passers.
whatev...I'm not going to argue cam newton with you, I could personally care less..
I like Ben & Rivers but won't happen both staying put. Someone just protected QB Fales took him off the practice squad so would not be claimed by another team. I'm thinking Emery's doing & may be a tip that big changes are coming. Trestman sure would not care knows he won't be here. I'm thinking Emery stays & cleans house ASAP. Cam untouchable!
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GOOD. your the one that brought him up.
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Yea Im not sayin we would get ben or rivers, im saying if the bears are looking for a QB via the draft. Thats the type of player I would hope to get. Which jamies winston doesnt fit that mold. He fits in the bust molds.
momoney2123
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LOL. Who wouldnt want that job. I would love to make a few million and if i screw up say- o well, been fun.
And there is a reason cam is untouchable whitedust.
it's because he's what's considered a franchise QB!
but not according to armchair gm's that claim Carolina has "dumbed" down their offense because of cam, like they know Carolinas' offensive game planning, like they're sitting in carolina coaches' meetings every week.
it's because he's what's considered a franchise QB!
but not according to armchair gm's that claim Carolina has "dumbed" down their offense because of cam, like they know Carolinas' offensive game planning, like they're sitting in carolina coaches' meetings every week.
momoney2123
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Its not a secret big dog. everyone knows thats exactly what carolina has done, simplied the offense AKA dumbed it down, ron rivera SAID it. SMH. Same thing with RG3. When the read option gets stopped those guys are useless.
And cam is not untouchable.
I think Cam is 1 of the best young QBs to enter the league. Very immature at first but his brother & Dad sat him down had Cam look at himself changed him big time. Johnny Football might be the same give him some time has good arm, good legs always a place somewhere for those type of QBs & why Cutler was sooooooo over rated by many. I was not pleased when Cam broke his back srewing around in his truck & I would let him heal & not play him again panthers not real contenders this year.... Cam too valuable imo....very exciting player!
momoney2123
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Cams best year was his rookie year. Until film caught up with him.
Quarterback: Cam Newton, Panthers
If you're thinking "Cam Newton isn't overrated," it's probably because you don't think Newton should have been rated that highly in the first place. He was once, but maybe after re-evaluation we all got a little too excited about a quarterback who had a ton of opportunities for rushing touchdowns inside the 10-yard line and not a lot of skill as a passer.
As a rookie in 2011, Newton took the league by storm by passing for over 400 yards in each of his first two starts and breaking the NFL record for rushing touchdowns in a season by a quarterback (14), but that was a precursor for … nothing really all that special. His passing yards have dipped every season since and, this year, Newton has rushed for just 257 yards and two touchdowns this season, which would be more than fine if he was an excellent passer, but he's not.
Newton has just eight touchdowns and five interceptions over eight starts, while the Panthers are headed towards their worst season under head coach Ron Rivera. They have just one win over their last seven games, and their first win of the year came when Derek Anderson was the starting quarterback.
It's easy to blame this on Carolina flushing out their entire wide receiver corps from a year ago, but Kelvin Benjamin and Greg Olsen are a good starting point for any quarterback to have. Overall, the Panthers have dropped 15 of Newton's passes, which is … about average. Alex Smith has seen 20 drops on fewer attempts. Colin Kaepernick has seen 18 drops on almost the exact same number of attempts.
And no matter who the receivers have been, Newton hasn't really performed any differently. He's never posted a passer rating of 90 or above and he's never really had any consistent success. He's also had career struggles in the red zone (passer rating of 75.9) and unlike Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson, players of comparable age, Newton hasn't been a last-minute hero (rating of 69.8 with under two minutes left and his team trailing).
The team around him could be better, but he could also be better. A lot better.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-PlmwaBfRBZoPFYdsN6iUhQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.aWw
momoney would you please provide me a link where it says ron rivera had to "dumb" down his offense due to his quarterback's limitations.
I would love to read it.
All I could find was the one I attached dated Dec. 1 of this year. It's the latest news regarding the Carolina QB situation and it actually says the opposite of what you are saying.
Momoney I didn't think you were one of those internet guys who just throw words out there to see what sticks.
Maybe I'm wrong I would love to see the link.
momoney would you please provide me a link where it says ron rivera had to "dumb" down his offense due to his quarterback's limitations.
I would love to read it.
All I could find was the one I attached dated Dec. 1 of this year. It's the latest news regarding the Carolina QB situation and it actually says the opposite of what you are saying.
Momoney I didn't think you were one of those internet guys who just throw words out there to see what sticks.
Maybe I'm wrong I would love to see the link.
Its not a secret big dog. everyone knows thats exactly what carolina has done, simplied the offense AKA dumbed it down, ron rivera SAID it. SMH. Same thing with RG3. When the read option gets stopped those guys are useless.
And cam is not untouchable.
momoney2123
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Obviously didnt say dumb down, he said simplify the offense or something along those lines. It was in an interview with the media not in an article. And it was this year. It may have been around the time the bears played them. As otherwise I could give a rip.
no link?
no audio?
I'm not supposed to believe the internet, yet I'm supposed to believe some guy named momoney on johndee who knows the inner workings of the Carolina Panthers?
LMAO!
thanks for the laugh today mo money,,,,good day my friend.
no audio?
I'm not supposed to believe the internet, yet I'm supposed to believe some guy named momoney on johndee who knows the inner workings of the Carolina Panthers?
LMAO!
thanks for the laugh today mo money,,,,good day my friend.
momoney2123
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Man your somethin else. Im done with this topic. After a 2 second search HUNDREDS of topics come up for ron rivera simplifing the offense.
Check youself before you wreck yourself budddddy.
http://www.panthers.com/news/articl...truggles/37867e97-7da7-4f10-af2c-cfde06c92cdf
https://www.google.com/#q=ron+rivera+simplifying+offense+for+cam+newton&spell=1
you just never know how a guy may or may not mature when he matures.
I actually agree with momoney I wouldn't just jameis with a ten foot pole, but who's to say he don't mature into a solid citizen and have a HOF career. Highly unlikely but you never know.
I remember all the red flags when Sapp came out, that he was a pot head and this and that.
He ended up dropping to 10th in the draft when he was projected go top 3.
He ended up with a HOF career and don't think he ever had a brush with the law.
It's a crap shoot, you just never know.
Randy Moss was another one & will be in the hall fame & now coaching. From all the bad press & his drop in the draft we may be lucky he played at all. lol NFL can do strange things to players just never know Andrew Luck is 1 of the few that exceeded all the hype & that rarely happens. To me momoney is too hung up on stats his way to evaluate doesn't see the intangables that make players great. To me Cam Newton with the right team could be real elite QB but the Panthers "Come on Man" see past your nose they stink.lol.