That's the 100% truth. Seems like some just paraphrase what they read in snowgoer, but the magazines obviously have to play nice to keep the ad dollars coming in...Lots of mountain snowmobile experts who have never ridden outside of the midwest. I just like to ask the dumb questions...
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That's the 100% truth. Seems like some just paraphrase what they read in snowgoer, but the magazines obviously have to play nice to keep the ad dollars coming in...Lots of mountain snowmobile experts who have never ridden outside of the midwest. I just like to ask the dumb questions...
Well said Lenny! Track speed makes a huge difference! No one style or idea of boondocking is correct. May it be tagging your favorite set of logging roads or laying down a sidehill on something so steep and tree lined that you giggle like a child when you get done! To each there own style! Same with the sleds. This argument can go on for ever (hope it does cause it sure is interesting). Each sled has it's ups and downs and all manufactures have had their problems over the years! Brand loyalty is blinding no matter what flavor you pick!
Uh oh, I think I just Braaaaped myself...
I really would like to see some of the payed video guys follow around some born and bread Up guys through DA UP hills. a few local guys I know are amazing
I dont care what people say there is way more room between the pines than oak and maple and pine branches move a bit more ez than a 8 in oak.
true the oak wont suck u in to the hole.
yeah u cant worship your sled hill climbing in da UP
dont think I have kept a set of A arms straight for more than 3 days.
but that's ok if they are not broke I never fix em.
the first one always stings for a second but then I am over it .I never put trail sticker on the windshield any more I know it wont last.
some day I will learn to buy a thrasher hood before I bring a new sled out of the trailer
I ride a 600 the has been a lot of days I wish I had a 800 or 900. Drive me nut when I get stuck because i'm underpowered.
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I looked at the Victory but not for me. I like the History behind HD and the sound. Indian nostalgic also but really can't see spending the same for one as a new 3/4 ton fully loaded Chevrolet 4x4 crew cab (Which I can write off as a work truck). Well maybe when work picks up a little more. Bike is hard to get passed the Accountant who's job is to keep me out of a cell with a guy named "Bubba".
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The transition is funny how it works when one starts to desire off trail. Usually you hop on a power line or logging road and have a ball with power coming over the hood. Than you see a sparce woods and you ride around and than the hills look inviting. The next phase is where I got hooked. I became tired of just climbing straight up a hill and seen other guys side hilling. The side hilling is where it's at for me. To make that machine your Bit** so to speak is the name of the game,,,sorry for the vulgar but it describes it best to the general population. Making the sled go where it doesn't want to naturally go is hard work and a big learning curve,,,and the million dollar question,,,it depends on which sled you are on. Sure, many guys are stronger and better at handling a difficult sled but why when it's easier,,this is what I am striving to do. It's already hard enough to rode a decent sled for 6 hrs without being worn out. I wanna make each hr count while I am fresh and probably going to be a pro!
Now when the powder is deep, everything changes and the higher areas can become off limits but you just love trying to get there.
Now when the powder is deep, everything changes and the higher areas can become off limits but you just love trying to get there.
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yea but you ride that thing like it's a 800. Many people couldn't follow you around!,,,lol
I'll take that as a compliment. You really can't tell what a machine can or cant do until you truly bring it past the braking point then ride it just alittle harder.
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Lenny, I agree, the Pro is a little bit harder to get on edge, but not a lot. IMO I think it is because of the skis. This past winter Scottiking and I switched sleds for awhile on a logging road, this was when he had his 2007 M1000. He had Slydog Powderhound skis on it, the same skis I had on my 07 IQ RMK, his was so much easier to lay over, I fell off twice. LOL. I will be trying some Powderhounds on my Pro this next season.
Now, that being said, once you get the Pro on its edge, it is soooooo easy to keep it there. Cripes, you can put the thing on its edge, and it will just hang out there, you can leave, go for a walk, have a beer, bs with your buddy's, and come back, and it will still be there waiting for you.
Now, that being said, once you get the Pro on its edge, it is soooooo easy to keep it there. Cripes, you can put the thing on its edge, and it will just hang out there, you can leave, go for a walk, have a beer, bs with your buddy's, and come back, and it will still be there waiting for you.
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So very true, can even side hill in slow motion,stop look around and go again.Lenny, I agree, the Pro is a little bit harder to get on edge, but not a lot. IMO I think it is because of the skis. This past winter Scottiking and I switched sleds for awhile on a logging road, this was when he had his 2007 M1000. He had Slydog Powderhound skis on it, the same skis I had on my 07 IQ RMK, his was so much easier to lay over, I fell off twice. LOL. I will be trying some Powderhounds on my Pro this next season.
Now, that being said, once you get the Pro on its edge, it is soooooo easy to keep it there. Cripes, you can put the thing on its edge, and it will just hang out there, you can leave, go for a walk, have a beer, bs with your buddy's, and come back, and it will still be there waiting for you.
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lol,,,exactly! Riding with my nutty buddies out west this last season we all experienced that very thing over and over. You know when some gets stuck up on a hill and than you gotta go help him so you side hill up there,,,if you can,,and stop on a side hill, yank your buddy out and climb back on your side hill and go again, all side hill,,it's very cool.
I see the XM is a total transformation. Just curious about the concept of the T-motion and flex side of the track. They accomplish the same result but in a different way. Not so sure I like it but it works. Seems like the mass of weight is still positioned in the chassis as usual and they devised a plan to allow the sled to turn over. Will these additional component of the t-motion perform without breaking or wearing out. Seems like it will be a stressful area and take a tun of abuse. If poo accomplishes the flickability of the sled but weight positioning of the entire mass, it seems like a better design,,,imo,,that is.
I do love the innovation of a production sled with gear drive instead of chain case, old tech but now in a production sled is way cool. Poo has done an incredible job with the chassis and seems they have made some efforts to address the 800 motor problems.
So, this is what I have interpreted form research, this thread along with others, other forums and magazines. Yamaha is not even in the picture. The pro has the best chassis and a questionable motor that may or may no blow. Doo has a new verticle steering post and that will help tremendously, has a more reliable motor and more powerful motor but the Poo drive gears has less rotation mass which improves the throttle feel to a more direct connect feel which I hear is noticeable. The Cat has a seriously strong motor which has a good reputation, better then the rest but the chassis is lagging compared to Poo & Doo. I would prefer a non-current M (9-11) over the 12-13. Looks like the taller A-arm can plow and cause some drag, possible earlier washouts?
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check these guys out, now we see the definition of pinning it. I love this video without the music, these machines singing better than any musician.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EmDtjWuvobw
here's a good video to compare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ESmOdFYr5Jg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EmDtjWuvobw
here's a good video to compare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ESmOdFYr5Jg
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polarisrider1
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After watching those videos I feel a need for a cigarette if ya know what I mean. I am pretty sure the red Pro is an 11.
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Add this to the mix, Doo has an after market belt drive out. seen it at Cooke, also there is a XM conversion kit for Doos that's out. So older Doos can be belt drive and XM suspension. Old Deak was pretty proud to point this out to me at Cooke. Takes a little to dial in.
imho I think the old M layes over way ez and has a huge sweet spot I dont believe the pro is better than a old M in the side hill.in fact I think the old M has a slight edge in that dept.
I do know the pro gets up on top of the snow and stays there better.
it is deff getting the power to the snow with great efficiency. Even lacking in power it will run head to head with a well tuned old M in a up hill deep drag race.
they are all shreding the rubber on the bottom of our boots. but the 13pro has a killer set running boards.
I like the new belt drive it would be nice if it did not have to run so tight I think they are leaving alot of power on the tabel running so tight.
as crazy as it sounds some guys on SW have pulled the belt drive and put in a CMX and say they can feal the diff.
dont tell any one but I will be running a p85 this yr done with spiders
I do know the pro gets up on top of the snow and stays there better.
it is deff getting the power to the snow with great efficiency. Even lacking in power it will run head to head with a well tuned old M in a up hill deep drag race.
they are all shreding the rubber on the bottom of our boots. but the 13pro has a killer set running boards.
I like the new belt drive it would be nice if it did not have to run so tight I think they are leaving alot of power on the tabel running so tight.
as crazy as it sounds some guys on SW have pulled the belt drive and put in a CMX and say they can feal the diff.
dont tell any one but I will be running a p85 this yr done with spiders
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polarisrider1
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here is an option if the 800 is in the back of your mind as still having issues.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mJ9NeWuIc
now a 600 pro with a quality built 660 kit in it would be a fun hot rod and prob spank most stock or close to stock 800 and out last them.
if I was going to jump ship {i am not} that is the rout I would go.
or just slap a race/pump gas mix hamster wheel in a 600.
heck a silber turbo kit in a 6 would prob only cost a grand more than the 800 after all said and done. u will still last longer than the 800 and have the turbo to resell when u dump the sled so prob ahead 2k or more over a 8 when all said and done