Sleds 2022.
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wiviperman
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I really hope that Yamaha can pull through and Arctic Cat as well. It's sad to possibly see them fall off. All of the Yamaha sleds that I have had have been extremely reliable. Polaris gave me a bad opinion of their company back in the mid 90's with my friends having nightmare problems with their snowmobiles, that has stuck with me for years.
However, I feel in recent years, Polaris has really turned things around, their sleds have come leaps & bounds from where they were and they have the UTV/SxS market figured out as well and so does BRP/Skidoo.
Yamaha and Arctic Cat really need to take notes and make some huge changes to be competitive.
However, I feel in recent years, Polaris has really turned things around, their sleds have come leaps & bounds from where they were and they have the UTV/SxS market figured out as well and so does BRP/Skidoo.
Yamaha and Arctic Cat really need to take notes and make some huge changes to be competitive.
They AC, Yamaha, are a long ways in the rears as of now. It will take a whopping amount of $$$$$$, and a solid, strong, thorough commitment to make it happen.
xsledder
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<br>I don't know what you are saying? AC should hire away Chris B. or get riders?
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<br>It is foolish to think they are that far in the rears to Ski-doo or Polaris. In reality, Cat made minor adjustments to their Procross front in 2020 and it is still better than Polaris' and Doo's front. After all, Cat started used A-arm front suspensions when Polaris was using the old trial arm front suspension (IFS) and Doo had the PRS, DCA, and ADCA trail arm suspensions until recently, compared to how long Cat had the a-arm suspension. As far as rear suspensions, when I ride with other Doo riders, then still complain about rough trails and they are not going any faster over the moguls then I am on my Cat. I just don't see that the ride is that much better. Okay, so Polaris and Doo might have rising rate rear suspensions, but Cat has the unattached front arm suspension (Slide Action) that decouples the front arm and allows the suspension to adjust better to the terrain. They have had this rear suspension for 15 yrs +/- and it took that long for Polaris and Doo to surpass them.<br><br>Cat also undated the bodywork in 2018 so it is easier to access things like oil. (Thank God!)<br><br>Are most Cat riders disappointed not getting something new in 2022? That is a most definite YES. And why not, 10 years with the same overall bones of the sled is a long time and it is time for fresh blood in the line. But, to think they are out of the running is fool hearty. Just because they don't have a turbo charged sled doesn't mean they are out of the running. Oh, wait, they had the first production turbo charged sled and currently have the fastest turbo charged sled in the market. (My bad!)
What I meant was that perhaps AC should somewhat follow what Poo did to get their house back in order. Not intended to be stealing Poo personnel. However that does happen!
wiviperman
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I'm not totally giving up on them, but at the same time I'm also not holding my breath. As everyone has stated, this is a long time that they have not done much!
Yeah, well, just wishful thinking at best, eh!
It's called delusional. Some people just don't get it - when the majority of people are buying TWO manufacturers....(translate = MARKET SHARE), it's because those TWO have a better product. Simple concept.
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In the end it is like football. Like John Madden says - you are what your record says you are. Doo is like the Patriots or Chiefs or Packers. Pol is like the Rams or better yet the Bucs. They are making an honest effort to improve. Cat/Yami is like the NFC East. They have a few good parts/players but the overall product is crap.
It's by no means delusional Cirrus and that's a bold comment to make pal. Yes, DOO and POO are at the top of their game but all manny's have been down at one point. I sell a lot of Yamaha's here so apparently there is a *** for every seat, just not for yours. Not every company is out for market share either. Granted I'll give you the props that they're long in the tooth, but your comments in a couple of threads are dead wrong. Agree to disagree I guess. Calling customers delusional just doesn't seem right to me.
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bayfly
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I do like the football analogy. It seems like introducing the new year models is similar to the draft. Some folks get really excited about draft picks, while others reserve judgement on their team's draft until they actually see them perform on the field. But I am not sure how to judge the winners or losers in sled brands, since each rider has specific reasons to choose one brand over another that are probably very specific to him/her. It is somewhat funny to see comments that some brands are "crap", but then see well over half of the sleds out on the trail in a particular riding area be the "crap" brands. Just a bunch of uninformed riders, I guess.
I'm not gonna stick up for kip cause Lord knows he doesn't need it but I think Yamaha is niche market and that is what he's saying. Guy like me wants the Camaro or mustang. Alot Of people would rather an Audi or Mercedes. Do they sell as many Audi's as Ford's? Nope. You think the margin on a Ford is the same as Audi or Mercedes? Lol. Cirrus is mps brother or is mp with an alter ego. Rooting for mfgs to die helps no one. Ride what ya like and enjoy the season. It's waaaaaaaayyyyu to short..... Oh and kip are you Irish??
Actually I'm french, LOL! Got some Finn in me too so a bit stubborn no doubt. I don't look for a fight Cirrus but you can bet I'm going to defend a company that supports their product very well and their customers who do buy their product. They've also donated sleds to help fight cancer and feed the children. They do a lot of good that you know nothing about, and yeah, they also donated a sled to Nick Keller named after my mother to support the cause of fighting cancer. I'll go to my grave supporting Yamaha so say what you gotta say and I'll do the same. We also took 3 King of Hills with Yamaha and many other races. As a dealer they give us awesome support of the product they produce. They aren't number 1 and nor are they trying to be. You don't see the picture I do and your experience with YAMAHA lacks mine by a landslide. There's more to being number 1 in a any business. My 2 cents and if you don't like it I'm perfectly fine with it. I love my Poo customers just as much and support them just the same. Yeah it's my job, but for me it's a passion to take care of all customers no matter what they ride. I love saving people's vacation and always will. If you were having issues I'd do the same for you and wouldn't be clouded by what you ride either.
xsledder
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Kip, you hit many good points that some thickheaded people are to blind to see. Being number #1 in sales doesn't mean your the best. (Look at Windows compare to Mac or Linux to add to your examples.) To me, it just means you are better at BS. Yamaha is a niche market. They are loyal to the people who are loyal to the brand. How many people who own Yamaha sleds also have their ATV's, boats, guitars, pianos, stereo's, etc. They like the brand and it is a good, quality brand. So, they teamed with Cat to produce most of their sleds, it has to say something about Cat. Also, like you pointed out, if Cat and Yamaha is such junk, why do they continue to consistently win races of all types. If the products where really that bad, no one and I mean no one would be racing them. Heck, according to most of the sheep on this site, it should be Polaris and Doo on the podium all the time, and it is not. (And, they are doing it with the supposedly old tech which says something about how good their old tech is to begin with. Just absorb that thought for a while.)
Also, in Illinois it is Yamaha that donates a suit or other prizes to the top three test takers who take the snowmobile safety test. (Where is Poo or Doo???)
I am with you kip. Yamaha, and Cat for that matter, are not so far behind the curve that they will never catch up and should shut the doors. All it takes is one season and they can be back on top. Not with sales, but with tech. Heck, the monorail is only two seasons old, and that is an original thought.
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