The New Aluminum F 150's

[russholio]

It doesn't have to. It was a rhetorical, food-food-for-thought question that was only intended to poke a little fun. Sorry it obviously struck a nerve with you, and sorry for being the only poster to stray from the original topic (aluminum body F150's).

Back on track..............

 

[momoney2123]

View attachment 47458 View attachment 47458 list of USA and Canada parts and labor percent in your trucks .
the winners ford then it gets sad Honda & Toyota

Where does one find a list like that? Of the 3 chevs I have owned I have no complaints. My 2010 has 48k and has not been touched minus oil changes and tire rotations. Made many trips up north pulling sleds/boats. Every ford I hve driven the engines just feel gutless in comparison to the quick reving chevs.

Only comment I have is buddy had a 2010 ford f150 sold it for a 2014 silverado 1500 and said its unbelievable how much easier it pulls his boat and the ride is much nicer. He has no bias.

 

[G]

The vast majority of Ford 150's spend very small amounts of time towing or hauling. The eco twin turbo works great and delivers good gas mileage when not towing or hauling. Ford knows this and the rest of you do also. Buy your pickup for what you do 90% of the time and suffer through the other 10%. Nobody has mentioned Dodge but they have come a long way in the last 5 years. My buddy just bought a new one - VERY nice pickup. Also cheaper than Ford or Chev.

 

[ezra]

the fiat is a nice truck I have not owned a ram in yrs but loved the 360 in my old ram the trans was the only reason I never got a diff ram .the ram insides are always tops set up to work with all the storage options the new fords Suck ars as far as center counsel storage and so on the worst I have had. all I ask is for a big fold down seat back with more storage than for a box of tampons. I now constantly have folders sliding off on to the seat ot floor receipts flying around . ford screwed the pooch on there interior the last few yrs

 

[misty_pines]

750 lbs still ain't lighter than a Chevy! What a joke every body style ford half ton has always been about 1000 lbs more. But of course I'm too young to know anything...

I know you were partly kidding about the "1000 lbs more" comment, but it's true that the Ford have typically been heavier by a few hundred pounds. An example is below:

2014 Chevy Silverado 1500 LTZ Z71 4x4 Crew Cab = Curb weight is 5605 lbs.
2013 Ford F-150 Lariat 4x4 EcoBoost 4x4 SuperCrew = Curb weight is 5828 lbs.

Ford is 223 lbs. heavier in this body configuration.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5-1

 

[indy_500]

I know you were partly kidding about the "1000 lbs more" comment, but it's true that the Ford have typically been heavier by a few hundred pounds. An example is below:

2014 Chevy Silverado 1500 LTZ Z71 4x4 Crew Cab = Curb weight is 5605 lbs.
2013 Ford F-150 Lariat 4x4 EcoBoost 4x4 SuperCrew = Curb weight is 5828 lbs.

Ford is 223 lbs. heavier in this body configuration.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5-1

My buddies 07 f150 vs any gm truck 88-06 950 lb difference his 12 ecoboost f150 is 50 lbs lighter. All trucks weighed were ext cab short box with full tank of gas and 1 driver. I was NOT partly kidding....

 

[ezra]

well I think I hold 36gal in my 12 f150
if I remember my pile of crap z71 held 26 so that is a few lbs there .
none the less why are u proud to light weight truck? what part of lighter weight thinner steel is a good thing?

 

[misty_pines]

My buddies 07 f150 vs any gm truck 88-06 950 lb difference his 12 ecoboost f150 is 50 lbs lighter. All trucks weighed were ext cab short box with full tank of gas and 1 driver. I was NOT partly kidding....

Indy - I was making reference to the newer models since the thread was about the new Ford. That is interesting how much lighter the 1988-2006 Chevys were compared to the Fords that you weighed. No wonder they always seemed to get a bit better mileage. The newer Chevys trucks have gained some weight over the years.

 

[indy_500]

well I think I hold 36gal in my 12 f150
if I remember my pile of crap z71 held 26 so that is a few lbs there .
none the less why are u proud to light weight truck? what part of lighter weight thinner steel is a good thing?

Same tow capacity better gas mileage way faster.

 

[ill marty]

A couple things to remember about aluminium vehicles . Your body shop will need to be trained on how to repair these panels. The tools used needs to be dedicated to aluminium . All hammers sanders hammer dollies . Bmw used this way to build the front end on their 5 series they no longer do . If the frame rails moved 2-3 mm they needed to be replaced . Pull motor remove rails and reglue and rivet new . I have been in body shop business for 25 years and do not like aluminium . Body panels can only be repaired if minor damage and aluminium tears . Repair costs are high insurance will be high . And good luck finding shops trained in the north woods .

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One more thing I hope attaching a big plow on the front is ok . Some things to keep in mind .

 

[joks79]

Same tow capacity better gas mileage way faster.

Faster doesn't mean anything with a truck. Start comparing torque curves of the trucks and you will see the differance.

 

[ezra]

Same tow capacity better gas mileage way faster.

well if I was buying a race truck ok. I buy work trucks way overload them all the time yank out posts etc like a tractor always hauling 700lbs plus . I saw poss 1 mpg better on my chevs .if u have a truck and drvie it as a car then yes the chev has always been the better option. ask any old timer u buy a ford to work in u buy a chevy to go to church in
they are all just fine trucks. I will just never buy a GM again in my life after the ars pounding they gave to the US tax payer then the snub of using that cash to build new plants south of the boarder was just the cream pie icing in the eye.
it Thursday been like 5 days from the last GM recall this yr must be a record 5 whole days they must be so proud

 

[joks79]

well if I was buying a race truck ok. I buy work trucks way overload them all the time yank out posts etc like a tractor always hauling 700lbs plus . I saw poss 1 mpg better on my chevs .if u have a truck and drvie it as a car then yes the chev has always been the better option. ask any old timer u buy a ford to work in u buy a chevy to go to church in
they are all just fine trucks. I will just never buy a GM again in my life after the ars pounding they gave to the US tax payer then the snub of using that cash to build new plants south of the boarder was just the cream pie icing in the eye.
it Thursday been like 5 days from the last GM recall this yr must be a record 5 whole days they must be so proud

Erza, your are correct!

 

[momoney2123]

well if I was buying a race truck ok. I buy work trucks way overload them all the time yank out posts etc like a tractor always hauling 700lbs plus . I saw poss 1 mpg better on my chevs .if u have a truck and drvie it as a car then yes the chev has always been the better option. ask any old timer u buy a ford to work in u buy a chevy to go to church in
they are all just fine trucks. I will just never buy a GM again in my life after the ars pounding they gave to the US tax payer then the snub of using that cash to build new plants south of the boarder was just the cream pie icing in the eye.
it Thursday been like 5 days from the last GM recall this yr must be a record 5 whole days they must be so proud

Im sorry but those are some of the worst generalizations ive ever heard. Thats like saying cheap artic cats are only for racing and skidoos are only for trail riding and polaris is only for mountain riding and yamahas take you to church. Chevy trucks will do anything a ford will do and IMO with less effort. But its not a night and day comparison like u make it sound. BTW all old timers I kno drive chevys deriving from the muscle car era where a big block chevy was gods gift to man when ford was a slow wanna be.

 

[snoeatr]

The answer to this debate is on youtube. Search Chevy silverado parody 2. Will not post a link on here little too much and not for young ones.

 

[ezra]

really 35yr #1 seiiling truck for how many yrs.
in the iron ore pits in N mn yrs ago prob back when u say GM was king they got a new fleet of chevy 3/4 tons they were having a hard time getting them out of the pits.
sold em all and went back to ford with inline 6 and granny gear sticks again .sold off all the Gm trucks they just got. I know this cuz my gramps and uncle both got chevs with less than 100mi on them from the mine.
as far as modern trucks better check your torque and hp numbers . remember I have owned both in the last few yrs and the 5.3 GM is a pile. but U are correct it did get better MPG like 1 mpg better
when towing it got the same for me.
buy what u want dont really care but I am done with them. and I cant buy a truck from the other one who took the money and in exchange let the fed decide what dealerships donated enough money to there party and closed the rest they the fed did not like.

 

[Hoosier]

You hear people talk about the "good" years for later model Chevys, like the the late 90's, as opposed to when they supposedly went down hill, like at least by the mid 2000's. What are the best years for them say since 1995?

 

[indy_500]

You hear people talk about the "good" years for later model Chevys, like the the late 90's, as opposed to when they supposedly went down hill, like at least by the mid 2000's. What are the best years for them say since 1995?

I can assure you that there were no really bad years, but it really comes down to personal opinion which is the biggest issue with this topic. 88-95 had a 350 TBI and were VERY VERY slow and useless but very very reliable. I still could never own one because they really are that slow. 96 came the 350 vortec night and day difference, intake gaskets in the vortecs were a slight issue but not too big of a deal. They have so much low end torque it's not even funny. I bought another one just because of it, they could out-tow any brand in their time. 99 came the new body and 5.3 that body stayed mostly the same thru 06 and 07 classic trucks, 03 got an updated grille and interior and slight exterior changes otherwise very similar truck. The 5.3 gained power in 2000, 2004, and in 05 the HO aluminum block came out only in ext cab Z71 trucks and then spread across the lineup fairly well in 06. The early 5.3's had minor head gasket issues and lifter issues but is a very solid motor just like every LS motor GM has. 07 was the new body with same motor pretty much. In 09 came the 6 speed trans but not many had them until 2010. Haven't heard of any issues with the trans whatsoever. The gear ratio of each trans gear is insane compared to a 4 speed. Not many issues with those trucks either and again new body in 2014 with a direct injected 5.3 and a big power increase. It's funny momoney2123 brings it up about GM motors as I don't know how to word my thoughts on this. You don't see people dropping Ford or Dodge motors into project cars. Each and every last one of them is an LS based GM motor. GM probably also had THE best transmission in half ton trucks for the past 2/3 decades with the 700r4/4l60e.

 

[ezra]

You hear people talk about the "good" years for later model Chevys, like the the late 90's, as opposed to when they supposedly went down hill, like at least by the mid 2000's. What are the best years for them say since 1995?

I think from 95 to 03 u are safe those are mostly great trucks and late build 04 and up alloy block run away GM spec is like 2 qt per 3k mi of oil as acceptable on trucks with like 49k on them .
fr end issues on most think they got better after like 09

 

[jr37]

Ford is a major contributor to the Sierra Club. I hope you all know what that means.