Trayvon Martin

People that hate America will use this to promote their racist agenda, it's not a race issue at all. African American kid attacks a Latino American concealed weapon permit holding American man, he defends himself. It's too bad the kid had to learn the ultimate hard way but maybe in the future punks will think twice and crime will go down. Everybody should carry IMO
 
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lenny

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BS!

GZ job was to watch the neighborhood. He took the initiative to persue TM. He didn't do what the police told him to do and as a result someone is dead. You guys can look at this with a hardened heart all you like, but what if it was your son? I think you'd be a little more interested in seeing the other side.

Lets say you are walking through a area and someone is following you and suspicions of you. If they tried to detain me and I was of clear conscious I would not listen to the jerk outside of reason,,, and be on my way. I would respectfully tell him he is mistaken and tell him my address and than he could do what he wants with it. If he insisted I remain I would walk with no regret.

I had an occasion at a BMX track I was practicing at. One evening a guy had some stuff stolen and me and my son were there. This guy was irate and started to question me and I said respectfully and calmly that he didn't need to worry about me and he can look in my car. He continued to get foul because he was ticked off looking to blame someone. He made the comment he should come over and check my car, I said go ahead and he blurted out some vulgar language. It ticked me off and I told him he has two options, you can either stop my or call the police. Point is that if this clown came over to me we were gonna gonna do it. If he had a gun he may of had to shot me,,,that is if he felt threatened. I would not have beaten him senseless I am old school and as far as I am concerned we settle things in a somewhat civil manner which includes fighting, if required,,,,, no guns!

A guy walking down the street does not prompt one to possible kill a guy. I understand cops get killed by a similar incident but GZ was no cop and as a result of poor judgement killed a guy. Why do we not see " severe injuries on him. He had a little blood on his face and back of his head. He was treated and released and all the photos I saw he looked like a man NOT fighting fore his life. I come home from work looking worse worse than him some days.

When you kid dies as a result of walking through a area where some goon see's him as a threat, LMK how that goes for you.
 
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ezra

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Maybe. Point is, he had a right to be there.
His performance at school should have no bearing on his right to live
he was kicked out of school for fighting .
so back to the what iffs
what if the gov did not promote and reward absentee fathers? what if the welfare state did not destroy the black family unit?
well then there prob would not have been a rash of crime in the neighborhood. traivon would have prob not been kicked out of school.george would not have been on patrol .George would prob have not had to wast his time mentoring at risk teens.would have had more time to work and make more money and live in a better neighborhood.
if he would have stayed in his car give me a break how many yrs did u spend in the bay area? something in the water out there is infectious
 

whitedust

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GZ was someones kid too
@#$% happens, be carefull who you ATTACK

Yep physical altercation is a very bad choice & that is why there are laws for assault & battery. If physical altercation is an option to someone in a disagreement with someone else then sooner or later they will see the police & jailhouse bars. Better to walk away & stay in control let police deal with the problem. Have we learned nothing from TM & GZ?
 

saber1

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I have been reading this post and its pretty amazing how cold some people can be especially about a human life .Lets forget about race .In my humble opinion TM could of been anyones son.I have a 21yr and tried to think what would he do in this situation if someone came up to him an said you look like your not from around here or you don't belong here sure as !@# my son would probably say this is a public place and he could be there then a fight might start and lets say my son was getting the best of the other guy. Back in the day someone would get there *** kicked and that would be that.If this was a bar fight and someone pulled out a gun they would at least get manslaughter i see no difference here.I have to agree with dcsnomo and lenny the whole situation was created by GZ that caused the death of TM a 17yr boy .i mean think about it this could happen to anyone its ok to kill someone because u have a gun and your getting your *** kicked?thats why i think this could of been anyones son i thank God he wasnt mine.
 
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lenny

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Yep, that's him, but you, like most, have been misled by a media that showed pictures of some kid when he was 12 years old and never once told us all about TM's past behavior. The media also edited the 911 call to make GZ sound like a racist. They went out of their way to paint a picture of GZ that wasn't true, yet didn't tell us the truth about TM. They do the same thing with politics every day.

If anyone has followed this case closely, you know that the experts in this field almost all agree this case was overcharged and was political in nature. Let law enforcement handle this and leave politics out of it. This should have never gone to court and that was just proven by the best legal system in the world!

UMMMM, not him for sure. Looks like you believed the lie,,,,not me. It goes to show how easily we can be swayed when we want to think a certain way

Could it have been avoided if TM had just gone home if he felt so threatened? You can't convict a guy for getting out of his car. If TM does not confront him and start the fight, none of this happens either, and the jury agreed.

Why would TM need to go home? he lived there! Maybe he was not there permanently but he was living there and had as much right to walk around as the next guy. There was NO immediate crime that prompted GZ to persue TM. There were previous crimes committed in the area that I believe GZ was thinking about and was suspicious of TM. I wouldn't be forced to walk home because someone is following me and I don't believe you would either. Especially if you were 17 and cocky like TM appears to be.

lenny,
what if, what if, what if
what if gz didn't get out of his car and the thug tm broke into his neighbors house and killed, raped, stole ...... what if, what if,
the FACT is tm ATTACKED, what if gz didnt' shoot him and died? then the "young child" thug would have been charged with murder as an adult. I'm sick of the media acting as if this 6'-2, 180# man was a pimple faced kid
just my $.02

GZ suspicion of TM is what initialized this whole situation. GZ was doing what he thought was protecting the neighborhood but we do know TM at that time did not do anything wrong while walking around an area where he lived. It's GZ suspicion, pursuit and intentional concern of TM that initialized this deal. There is NO "what if's" because GZ was pursuing. He also did not follow the instructions given to him when he called the police.
 
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lenny

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I'm by no means choosing sides here. It is my honest belief that the whole thing is a tragedy that all involved would reverse if they had the power to. My honest question, without pointing any fingers is: Why did TM not use his cell phone to call 911 if he felt he was in danger? It is clear he had one and I believe he even was talking to a friend when he started to become aware of GZ following him. I know if it were me, THAT is the first thing I would have done.

I suppose we will never know the answer to that, but seems like one of the many mistakes made by both parties in this tragic event.

-John

Why would TM feel threatened enough to call the police? GZ following someone is reasonable if he was suspicious, which he was. I just don't see the urgency for TM to call. I doubt GZ was 20 ft away on the road following at a walking pace aside TM but like you said, many details will never be known.
 
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lenny

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Yep physical altercation is a very bad choice & that is why there are laws for assault & battery. If physical altercation is an option to someone in a disagreement with someone else then sooner or later they will see the police & jailhouse bars. Better to walk away & stay in control let police deal with the problem. Have we learned nothing from TM & GZ?


I agree and for the life of me I try an comprehend this whole mess. One thing I can understand is that a 17 yr old guy may be likely to not walk away and add to the escalation. Still, with no immediate danger or crime occurring I believing GZ did not practice restraint which is a must if you have the option to destroy human life. it should be a last resort and by the looks of GZ photos, and being released for hospital, it does not look like he was beat bad at all.
 

russholio

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Why would TM feel threatened enough to call the police? GZ following someone is reasonable if he was suspicious, which he was. I just don't see the urgency for TM to call. I doubt GZ was 20 ft away on the road following at a walking pace aside TM but like you said, many details will never be known.

He didn't feel threat was urgent enough to call the police, yet he felt threatened enough to confront the guy who was following him? I don't know about you, but if I were in his shoes the last thing I'd want to do is confront somebody I feel is a threat to me. I'd be trying to distance myself from him and be on the phone to the cops if I felt that threatened.
 
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lenny

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He didn't feel threat was urgent enough to call the police, yet he felt threatened enough to confront the guy who was following him? I don't know about you, but if I were in his shoes the last thing I'd want to do is confront somebody I feel is a threat to me. I'd be trying to distance myself from him and be on the phone to the cops if I felt that threatened.

that makes no sense. John asked why TM didn't call the police and my answer was that being followed, questioned or whatever was happening was not reason to call police. Obviously TM didn't feel threaten, I would say he was aggravated and confident, cocky, stupid, whatever word we describe. I am saying I do not believe he was scared of the situation, fearful or that he needed help. TM didn't call the police. GZ says he said' what's your problem," sounds like a guy aggravated because someone is thinking he is up to no good.
 

russholio

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Maybe it's a cultural thing.....where you live, perhaps, being followed is not perceived as a threat. Where I live, if somebody were following me and I knew it, I'd be at the very least high tailing it as quickly as I could, and possibly calling the cops (if I had my phone on me) if I felt the threat were that imminent. In either case, I sure as heck wouldn't be physically (or verbally) confronting my pursuer (whether I were carrying or not). Not much good ever comes from confrontation.
 

eagle1

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i mean think about it this could happen to anyone its ok to kill someone because u have a gun and your getting your *** kicked?.

Yes, absolutely!!!!!! Its called self defense. This isn't a movie where just get up and walk away after being beaten.

So, Lenny how many punches would you take before you say enoughs enough?
It only takes one punch then hit your head on way down and your disabled for life or worse.

Bottom line, TM was on top of GZ.
Doesn't matter who started what, who could of walked away, or what some 911 operator said or if he took one punch or twenty.
 

catdog

Member
I don't think TM would ever call the police it's not in his mentality. According to his friend that was on the phone with him when this was all going down, GZ was a creepy *** craka and was going to rape him. This would of never happen if our society was not in the state that it is in right now do to the Gov and Media. I pray that our Gov official and media can pull their heads out their asses and heal this country.
 

jonesin

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you guys convinced me
if gz didn't perform his neighborhood watch duties it would have been different but if tm hadnt snuck between the houses it would have made no difference
if gz hadnt followed tm it it would have been different but if tm had listened to his girlfriend and gone straight home it would have made no difference
if gz had ran from tm it would have been different but if tm hadn't ATTACKED it would have made no difference
if gz had waited to see if tm was just kicking his @#$ or really trying to kill him it would have been different
if gz had waited to see how many times it took his head hitting the pavement before passing out it would have been different
if gz hadn't carried a gun it may have been different all right, the situation may have been reversed and then it would all have been all right
if the chief of police, the arresting officers, the fbi had not all said it was justified and withing the law and that gz was not a racist it would have turned out different but if the poverty pimps jackson, not so sharpton and owebama had not riled up the locals it would have made no difference
if gz hadn't tutored underpriviliged kids, took a black girl to prom it might have been a racist but that doesn't matter but tm wasn't a racist at all, he was just kidding in all his tweets, he really didn't like to fight
I think I understand now
 
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Good stuff there jonesin!

It's all GZ's fault cuz he got out of the car! TM did absolutely nothing wrong. LMAO!! Heck, even the TM supporters aren't protesting too bad, let alone rioting, because even they can recognize the evidence just wasn't there. Otherwise, it would be Rodney King all over again.
 
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