Union thugs are at it again

noradonuts

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thugs

Most of the people here (no all) who are against unions are probably business owners and they need to pay for labor. So why dont they like unions? Is it because union rates dictate how much non union worker will make or they dont want to be told how to treat there workers. Business owners want to pay what they think ia a fair wage and they dont want nobody in ther way.Union workers are craftsmen with the proper job training given to them through on the job training and apprentice schooling. Its called skilled labor and you can put a price on that .. Read up on Lynde Bradley and see what his money buyes or who gets it , look how he treated his workers, minorities and women he's on your side, who are the thugs?
 

Skylar

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Most of the people here (no all) who are against unions are probably business owners and they need to pay for labor. So why dont they like unions? Is it because union rates dictate how much non union worker will make or they dont want to be told how to treat there workers. Business owners want to pay what they think ia a fair wage and they dont want nobody in ther way.Union workers are craftsmen with the proper job training given to them through on the job training and apprentice schooling. Its called skilled labor and you can put a price on that .. Read up on Lynde Bradley and see what his money buyes or who gets it , look how he treated his workers, minorities and women he's on your side, who are the thugs?

Nope, no owner here, just a factory worker.

The union garbage man has to have plenty of skill to pick up the garbage huh? LOL.

While there are a lot of union jobs that a person can be called a skilled craftsman, do NOT try to tell us that just because a person is a UNION craftsman, he is BETTER or has more SKILLS, than a non union craftsman, that is one of the biggest loads of crap I have ever heard.
 

alterego

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Most of the people here (no all) who are against unions are probably business owners and they need to pay for labor. So why dont they like unions? Is it because union rates dictate how much non union worker will make or they dont want to be told how to treat there workers. Business owners want to pay what they think ia a fair wage and they dont want nobody in ther way.Union workers are craftsmen with the proper job training given to them through on the job training and apprentice schooling. Its called skilled labor and you can put a price on that .. Read up on Lynde Bradley and see what his money buyes or who gets it , look how he treated his workers, minorities and women he's on your side, who are the thugs?

Right on Skylar! I am in fact a business owner (non-union by THEIR choice) with about 25 employees. I can assure you that my direct labor employees would be offended by your claim that they are not skilled. Their is no correlation between skills and unions or non-union. Case in point - why has John Dee's house & shed not fallen over yet? Non-union WITH skills.
 

EXCESSIVE FORCE

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Does Union and Worker belong in the same sentence ??....LOL.....Support Kwik Trip stores and show these THUGS the real meaning of getting ORGANIZED !!
 

dfattack

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Most of the people here (no all) who are against unions are probably business owners and they need to pay for labor. So why dont they like unions? Is it because union rates dictate how much non union worker will make or they dont want to be told how to treat there workers. Business owners want to pay what they think ia a fair wage and they dont want nobody in ther way.Union workers are craftsmen with the proper job training given to them through on the job training and apprentice schooling. Its called skilled labor and you can put a price on that .. Read up on Lynde Bradley and see what his money buyes or who gets it , look how he treated his workers, minorities and women he's on your side, who are the thugs?

I am a business owner and I pay a very fair wage to all of my employees because I have learned that hard working dedicated employees enable my businesses to succeed. I don't need an outside source telling me what to pay. Unions shouldn't be in the business of telling business owners how to treat their employees. If an owner doesn't treat the employees well, then the employees need to quit. It's that simple. They need to think for themselves and make the right decision. My type of business requires on the job training. I don't need unions who don't have a clue how to train my employees sticking their nose in my business. I hire women mostly because that's who's drawn to my business. I hire kids from 15 1/2 years old all the way up to senior citizens. The seniors tend to be the most reliable.

That's my response to your "labor" statements. The answer to why we don't like unions is because we don't want to be told who to hire or fire in any way. No restrictions on top of what our government already has in place. We don't want to be told who can install equipment, tell us what electrician we can use, tell us which plumber to use, who can cut the grass, pull weeds, lay brick pavers for sidewalks and on and on. We generally like union members, just not tactics the unions use to ensure their members are working. Non union workers should have the same right to work on a construction job as a union worker. May the best man or woman win...

I did get forced to use a union tile setter that actually had a lower bid and did the best work. He did what it took to get the job done on a timely manner at a fair price. he did not follow union rules to the T and was a union member only because he had to or he couldn't work laying tile on commercial jobs.

I feel that union workers have been told the same mantra from decades ago and still believe big company bosses are evil and don't care about their employees. The better business owners realize the value of having outstanding employees. To do that you have to take care of them.
 

Dewy

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What upsets me about the letters that were sent out to the businesses that would be boycotted by the union employees is the fact the businesses that I know did not donate to either party , the employee's that work for them did and made the mistake of listing who they worked for, and most donated to both parties maybe not equal amounts. If it is so right to boycott these businesses for the beliefs of their employees please union members list who you work for.
 

firez10

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Sorry, I'm on my soap box again

Bone to pick with OHSA, really? Again I am by far pro-union or against union but I am 110% committed to workplace safety.

I have investigated more workplace deaths and severe injuries than I care to name but for sake of this thread I will show a few.

Small metal factory that was non-union. 20 yr. old worker (college kid, national wrestling champ, studying electrical engineering), working with a hobb machine cutting teeth into flywheels for auto, loses both hands up to his wrists. 12 yrs. later, working minimum wage jobs living w/parents, fighting severe depression every day. Used to be active in community and now relies on alcohol to cope with loss of hands. Company didn’t have a safety program, no lockout tag out, limited training time no safety curtains, or emergency shut offs – company answer to this was it would cost us $10,000 dollars to do that. Multimillion dollar company with large profits. No longer in US, moved all jobs to Mexico.

Painting company, specializes in painting water towers (non-union) – 20 yr. old employee who is the company owners soon to be son in law, falls from top of water tower and dies while working with his fiancés’ father (the owner). No fall protection program, reason - costs, the program for his company would have cost him around $2000.00 dollars total.

Small excavating company – union. 18 yr. old employee working in a trench running electrical lines to a house. Trench was not secured or benched and a cave in trapped the employee. Employee died from crushing injuries before he could be rescued. Company had a safety program but foreman did not follow work rules or procedures. His comment was they were in a hurry to get the job done and had done this way forever with no problems. Company had a history of citations but usually just slide by with the minimum. Company also had multiple workers comp cases going on as well.

I could go on and on with many more stories. Point is without some type of regulatory agency in place to enforce certain rules this would happen much more often. Construction is the leading offender. Usually 100-150 deaths per year just in the State of Michigan. Probably 90-95% of these cases are employers who say that it cost too much and would put them out of business which I can prove to be untrue. Sure there are costs but they are very small most times. Which costs more, a person’s life or $500.00 lockout tag out kit and about an hour or two worth of labor hours to develop the program.

We can’t rely on common sense for safety issues because things do happen; it’s not a matter of if they happen but rather when they happen. As far as residential roofing, there are ways to do that fairly cheap. It depends on the amount of employees you have. You can do it for less than $100.00 per employee for a base program. A lot cheaper than a workers comp claim or an employee death. The average return on investment for safety is a $6.00 return for every dollar spent and that is proven in many studies. Many employers don’t want to spend or should I say invest in the employees for safety. It all comes down to year end profits. If they only make 2 million this year and they made 8 million last year than they claim they lost money. Either way I see it as they made a profit period. Quality life is worth way more!!!!!!!!
 
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firez10

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Great post Lenny

Wanted to ad that Lennys post was spot on. Ultimately we all need to stick together. Another one of my fathers favorite sayings was "United we stand, divided we fall".
 

Ronder

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Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi issued a temporary restraining order Friday, barring the publication of a controversial new law that would sharply curtail collective bargaining for public employees. Sumi’s order will prevent Secretary of State Doug La Follette from publishing the law until she can rule on the merits of the case. Dane County Ismael Ozanne is seeking to block the law because he says a legislative committee violated the state’s open meetings law.
Sumi said Ozanne was likely to succeed on the merits.
"It seems to me the public policy behind effective enforcement of the open meeting law is so strong that it does outweigh the interest, at least at this time, which may exist in favor of sustaining the validity of the (law)," she said.
 

noradonuts

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stuck in the middle with you

You are correct that I did mis-quote you and apolgize for that. That aside, would you agree that there is no corelation between skills and union membership?

I will meet you in the middle..In my trade and others 'not all' Technolgy changes overnight.Our school system offers continuing education that we need to stay current,If you dont take advantage of this you will be out the door.Our school system and many other trade schools were started by union members years ago so we could be the best(in our minds,not sayin we are) My dad raised us with his hard work and union wage and I do the same for my wife and smelly kids,, that why I speak with you all today. Also I dont bash non-union workers I dont care what people do to feed there family.
 
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ridindirty800

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I was talking to one of my buddies last night who works and M&I Bank in Milwaukee! He was telling me every morning he goes to work there is a group of protesters that is there and when he walks in they say things like "Hope you lose your job" "We are going to put you out of buisness" and many others as well! Its just sad that they would wish that on any buddy! I am starting to get a feeling that some how this is going to backfire in all the unions faces.
 

alterego

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I will meet you in the middle..In my trade and others 'not all' Technolgy changes overnight.Our school system offers continuing education that we need to stay current,If you dont take advantage of this you will be out the door.Our school system and many other trade schools were started by union members years ago so we could be the best(in our minds,not sayin we are) My dad raised us with his hard work and union wage and I do the same for my wife and smelly kids,, that why I speak with you all today

While I am guessing you may not have intended to, you have proven the point of many posts on this site, in specific regards to tenure per your post - "....YOU WILL BE OUT THE DOOR" I will not attempt to lump all states and teachers unions together but there is no OUT THE DOOR in many cases. I am friends with many teachers in my community and know for a fact that they consider their tenure qualification akin to a 16 year old taking a negative pregnancy test. i.e. Thank the Lord! I do NOT blame these teachers. They are playing by the rules that have been set up by union leaders and legislatures. Said differently, do I blame Warren Buffet for taking advantage of every tax loop hole that the legislature has provided him? Heck no - he is playing by the rules.

While there have been many fantastic posts (pro & con) in regards to unions, the bottom line is, this is a math equation in regards to the public sector unions. The math is
un-sustainable at the current trend line. Government is no different than a business when they are in fiscal trouble in that they have two choices or a combination there of: 1. Raise revenues (rasie taxes) 2. Cut costs - PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
 

noradonuts

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current trend line

While I am guessing you may not have intended to, you have proven the point of many posts on this site, in specific regards to tenure per your post - "....YOU WILL BE OUT THE DOOR" I will not attempt to lump all states and teachers unions together but there is no OUT THE DOOR in many cases. I am friends with many teachers in my community and know for a fact that they consider their tenure qualification akin to a 16 year old taking a negative pregnancy test. i.e. Thank the Lord! I do NOT blame these teachers. They are playing by the rules that have been set up by union leaders and legislatures. Said differently, do I blame Warren Buffet for taking advantage of every tax loop hole that the legislature has provided him? Heck no - he is playing by the rules.

While there have been many fantastic posts (pro & con) in regards to unions, the bottom line is, this is a math equation in regards to the public sector unions. The math is
un-sustainable at the current trend line. Government is no different than a business when they are in fiscal trouble in that they have two choices or a combination there of: 1. Raise revenues (rasie taxes) 2. Cut costs - PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Are the state and goverment broke because of unions? Why attack them ? Some of that money we pay in taxes must have been spent elsewhere not only to union employees.So abolish unions or take away collective bargaining from workers , do we think the buget will ever be balanced? Will our taxes will be lowered and our cost will be cut. I THINK NOT . I bet the goverment and politicans would love to have a vote to do with the extra money ,raise in pay ,hire family members,better bennies, Who knows. I will ask my wife she knows everything
 
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whitedust

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I was talking to one of my buddies last night who works and M&I Bank in Milwaukee! He was telling me every morning he goes to work there is a group of protesters that is there and when he walks in they say things like "Hope you lose your job" "We are going to put you out of buisness" and many others as well! Its just sad that they would wish that on any buddy! I am starting to get a feeling that some how this is going to backfire in all the unions faces.

M&I employees are already on the hot set waiting for Bank of Montreal to finalize take over this summer. M&I name will be dust in the wind soon. Then what boycott Bank of Montreal & Harris? Really dumb reaction from the get go. IMO
 

wags

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The problem is the Unions stopped at the boarders, they should have kept going and unionized other countries that way there would be no wage issues and business would stay right here in the good old USA!

The mistake we all made in our career choices was not becoming politicians. Think about it when do you think the last time any Governor pulled up to the pump to top off the tank in his limo and or wrote a check for his health insurance plan???????
 
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