I believe it was the first week of February.
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I believe it was the first week of February.
All of the current vaccinations seem pretty effective at preventing the receiver from getting seriously ill. The important part to remember is that even the vaccinated person can still get and transmit the virus, just not get as sick themselves. Sounds like your boss has not read up on the CDC recommendations or information on the vax put out by the vax companies.
Easiest to consider the vaccinated person is the same as an asymptomatic person. Has it, does not know they have it or has very mild symptoms. Still spreads it.
Taking that into consideration, it's pretty ludicrous to see the chatter about "must be vaccinated" to do "x".
Don't need it.
DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER! It's quite possible the government mandates it at some point. Let's compare it to the Affordable Healthcare Act of 2010/Obamacare. They now force us to carry health insurance and to prove it when we file our taxes. If not, you're assessed a penalty and pay more tax/fine. Of course if you're low income then you get it for free. The reason I see this for our future is that when we get the first shot they give you a card and tell you to keep it in a safe place for future reference. It was hinted to me that we'll need those cards for future commercial travel, domestic or otherwise. So, before I get flamed here I just want to say, do what you feel is best for you but with the present climate in Washington I'll be waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Been saying this for months.
It’s obvious
Whether u like it or not when they take away civil liberties u seldom get them back without paying a price.
Vax shot is the price one will pay
QUOTE=gary_in_neenah;506493]DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER! It's quite possible the government mandates it at some point. Let's compare it to the Affordable Healthcare Act of 2010/Obamacare. They now force us to carry health insurance and to prove it when we file our taxes. If not, you're assessed a penalty and pay more tax/fine. Of course if you're low income then you get it for free. The reason I see this for our future is that when we get the first shot they give you a card and tell you to keep it in a safe place for future reference. It was hinted to me that we'll need those cards for future commercial travel, domestic or otherwise. So, before I get flamed here I just want to say, do what you feel is best for you but with the present climate in Washington I'll be waiting for the other shoe to drop.[/QUOTE]
It’s obvious
Whether u like it or not when they take away civil liberties u seldom get them back without paying a price.
Vax shot is the price one will pay
QUOTE=gary_in_neenah;506493]DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER! It's quite possible the government mandates it at some point. Let's compare it to the Affordable Healthcare Act of 2010/Obamacare. They now force us to carry health insurance and to prove it when we file our taxes. If not, you're assessed a penalty and pay more tax/fine. Of course if you're low income then you get it for free. The reason I see this for our future is that when we get the first shot they give you a card and tell you to keep it in a safe place for future reference. It was hinted to me that we'll need those cards for future commercial travel, domestic or otherwise. So, before I get flamed here I just want to say, do what you feel is best for you but with the present climate in Washington I'll be waiting for the other shoe to drop.[/QUOTE]
1. Won't be a human lab rat for something with such a high recovery rate
2. My body, my choice. Not the government's.
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<br><br>I think you guys are missing my point. The 82% can get the virus and build natural antibodies that will protect themselves and everyone else the better than a vaccine ever will. Slowing the spread for the low risk majority is senseless! It only keeps us away from heard immunity insisting that the only remedy is a vaccine. Do you understand what I’m saying? <br>
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I’ve seen reports from previous flu shots ( The flu is a form of a coronavirus) that say the best protecting has been 32%, 60%, 25%. Since we’ve never been able to produce a coronavirus vaccine that’s reliably effective, do you think this one will be any better especially since there is limited testing and observation of its effects? That say 95% But I have no faith whatsoever in that number and I don’t think anybody should considering the circumstances.
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its because if your 70 years old or younger it’s low risk. 80% will have mild to no symptoms. Why pump a rushed experimental vaccine the many docs admitt they don’t know the long term effects. Animal testing and years of research have been bypassed so why would I risk myself if I’m healthy. I had Covid and it was easier to deal with than the flu I’ve had in the past. It really makes no sense to have a vaccine if you’re healthy. There still going to be new strains that come out so this is going to be a yearly scam like the regular flu. We are fat lazy country that is obese, plagued with fast food addictions and poor immune system‘s. We need to go right to the root rather than pump out these chemicals that are still experimental.
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Lenny I do get it! You don't want the shot, so don't get the shot, eh!
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<br>it has nothing to do with what I want. It has to do with logic. For 82% of the population, it’s a non-issue. Somebody just posted in here that it doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus or even spreading it. He said that it only stops you from getting seriously ill. We already have that in our own natural immune system and this comes straight from the CDC. So to sum it up, and this is what you need to think about, why risk your health with an experimental vaccine when it’s less effective then your natural ability to fight the virus. I understand if you’re in the risk group that you may want to do it. If that’s you, knock yourself out. If it’s not you then you’re just taking it for the fun of it with an additional risk.
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<br>If what you’re saying is true, and I don’t doubt it, then it sounds like those who are in the risk category would be welcoming to this. The 82% that will have very low risk and most of them mild to no symptoms, it seems to be no better than what the natural immune system will do. Am I wrong, what am I missing?
Your not missing anything.
Some think this vaccine makes them immune to the virus, it does not. At least the manufacturers say it does not and no studies have shown otherwise. There have been some misleading main-stream-news articles, which makes it understandable why some would be misinformed.
There is the virus, then there is the disease the virus can cause. The vaccine only works to prevent the disease. Does not kill/stop the virus. At least that is the information we have currently.
Not a fan of VOX, but they have a reasonable video that explains the vaccines fairly well including how good/bad they are as far as preventing severe disease (which is the goal of these shots).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A
On that linked video, there are comments echoing the false news headline that said the Israeli study showed the vaccine stops the spread.
Here is a review of the study. Short version: vaccine stopped severe disease. Nothing about transmission.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...r-covid-vaccine-finds-high-2-dose-good-1-dose
Another with the same conclusion:
https://www.biospace.com/article/is...d-19-vaccine-prevents-98-9-percent-of-deaths/
And the actual study, still undergoing review:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00448-7/fulltext
What gives the confusion is the phrase "rate reductions" on the study. Reuters ran with that and said it was rate of transmission; it is not, it is rate of severe disease.
The study does indicate they saw a rate reduction in infections and severe disease after vaccination. However, they also note they only tested for infection if the person showed symptoms.
Vaccine appears to have done it's job by reducing severe disease (which would have symptoms). They did not test for asymptomatic, so they don't know if it helped to reduce actual infections or not.
Here is a review of the study. Short version: vaccine stopped severe disease. Nothing about transmission.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...r-covid-vaccine-finds-high-2-dose-good-1-dose
Another with the same conclusion:
https://www.biospace.com/article/is...d-19-vaccine-prevents-98-9-percent-of-deaths/
And the actual study, still undergoing review:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00448-7/fulltext
What gives the confusion is the phrase "rate reductions" on the study. Reuters ran with that and said it was rate of transmission; it is not, it is rate of severe disease.
The study does indicate they saw a rate reduction in infections and severe disease after vaccination. However, they also note they only tested for infection if the person showed symptoms.
Vaccine appears to have done it's job by reducing severe disease (which would have symptoms). They did not test for asymptomatic, so they don't know if it helped to reduce actual infections or not.
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. Thanks for the video, I found it very informative!<br>
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<br><br>I hope the fact that there is no law on the books to require a US citizen to be vaccinated against anything else (measles, mumps, polio) will set a precedence for this vaccination. Forcing someone to have something done to their body takes us into some very ugly territory. Hopefully most of us would recognize that. <br><br>I will say I got my vaccinations, but am not sure I would have if I was not solidly part of the population that would not likely survive a dance with this covid virus.<br><br>With that thought, just for curiosity and I know it's a hypothetical question, but for those of you not wanting to get it. If you were part of the population that would not likely survive the covid virus, would you then get the vaccinations?<br><br>-John<br>
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<br><br>Thats a good question! With this vaccine,,,,, it’s hard to say because it’s lacking much testing. If this particular vaccine had undergone the regular process of testing and research, then absolutely. John, do you remember shortly after the vaccine was rolled out, the media made a comment saying if people die after taking the vaccine, it won’t mean that they died because of the vaccine? I think they cover their tracks in all areas but then again, I could be one who’s influenced by the far right camp. One thing I do know, there’s lots of bad information out there from both sides.<br>
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<br><br>I totally agree about the quality of information from both sides. I think with the amount of vaccinations done, it would surpass that which is needed for FDA approval. The big question is any effects/complications down the road. I'm hoping for x-ray vision!<br>
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Also, something I wanted to clear up. I re-read my post about Rush and the last sentence sounds like I am saying Rush should sit there and look stupid than open his mouth and remove all doubt. That is NOT what I meant. I believe Rush was WAY smarter than me on just about all topics, with the exception of the Atmosphere and possibly snowmobiling and woodworking. My comment was just meant for everyone in general, including me!
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<br><br>that’s all we can really do, is hope for the best. I just looked this up and I found it and it’s information from the CDC. <br><br><div class="card border-0 rounded-0 mb-3" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; display: flex; flex-direction: column; min-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; background-clip: border-box; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Open Sans", apple-system, blinkmacsystemfont, "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", arial, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; border: 0px rgb(224, 224, 224) !important; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; margin-bottom: 1rem !important;"><div class="card-body bg-quaternary" style="box-sizing: border-box; flex: 1 1 auto; min-height: 1px; padding: 1rem; background-color: rgb(235, 245, 246) !important;"><ul style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-right: 15px; margin-bottom: 17px; margin-left: 15px; padding-left: 25px; list-style: none !important;"><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 0.4rem;">FDA requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 0.4rem;">Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 0.4rem;">CDC follows up on any report of death to request additional information and learn more about what occurred and to determine whether the death was a result of the vaccine or unrelated.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 0.4rem;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.</span></li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 0.4rem;">CDC, FDA, and other federal partners will continue to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.</li></ul></div></div><p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 1rem; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Open Sans", apple-system, blinkmacsystemfont, "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", arial, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">126 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 22, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,216 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. <span style="box-sizing: border-box;">A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. </span>CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.</p>
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Here is the CDC‘s website link, I hope it works.<br><br><br><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html">https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html</a>