It hasn't affected me, and I dunno about your neighborhood, but from some of the wild tales of madness I hear from Michigan and Wisconsin, I think they're just winging it without a clue, and they wouldn't understand the science if it bit them on their "corporeal sitting-down apparatus".
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I consider myself as a real christian conservative. I deal in reality, not Fantasy Land Fallacies. I don't adhere to being preached to by misleading propagandists. I don't know what you have judged me as, but please don't try to make me into something I'm not. I don't intend, nor will I play politics with you. As I said before, your welcome to your opinion, as I am mine. Friends can disagree, and still be friends, eh!
dfattack
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Abe, I'm not judging you. I only asked how you define a real conservative. Just because I know you have different opinions about things doesn't mean I'm judging you. I agree with your last statement, friends can disagree. I would love to discuss this over lunch while on a ride either in the U.P. or Canada, which apparently is something we have in common. You seem like a nice guy and if I sounded like I was judging you then I'm sorry you felt that way. People with different view points need to be able to express themselves freely without being judged. That, sadly is starting to go away in this country.
I absolutely agree! Not to be political, but I have always highly admired Eisenhower, all the way around. And consider myself to be a Eisenhower Conservative. Especially after I discovered the real reason he relented, and then decided to run for president. And yes, I'm ready to get back to Canada, and enjoy tiding there once again!
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Which is EXACTLY why I made my post above. Find out for yourself what your comfort level is, don't sit home being told to "Be SKART of other people not being SKART". I know it sounds like a meme, but its true, that's what they have been pushing on us for over a year now. Sorry, I'm not going to live SKART. This is not directed at you nash, just my opinion of all these politician "corporeal sitting-down apparatus'".
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lenny
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I want to express my opinion on this “pandemic”. I take issue with much of how the US handled this. I’ll list them in order:
1) Early on last March, a CDC stat came out that expressed 80% of those who contract CV will have mild to no symptoms, part of the remaining 20% less than 15% of those will have flu like symptoms, with the death rate similar to the yearly flu. If this is the case, than why destroy businesses, increase all kinds of social problems such as suicide, alcoholism, child abuse, drug abuse, depression, bad attitudes, etc?
2) Mandate a mask order. I can accept a mandate for a period of time until that time period creates more damage than the crisis at hand. There have been controlled research studies, clinical trials of the effectiveness of masks. Prior to COVID-19, the results indicated that the controlled study groups fared no better for those wearing masks so why was the science not driving the mandate? Today, we are still following the narrative that masks slow the spread when indeed the science shows that a contaminated mask increases the risk of spreading the virus. I debate this topic often with friends and I was lucky enough to make a video one morning while I was pumping gas. I made a video at a gas station and watched numerous people enter the gas station. As they walked up to the gas station, they put their mask on. Next they touched the door, got their wallet out and payed for their purchases which sometimes included them buying items, opening doors, opening cooler doors etc. Now, everything they’ve touched since they touched their mask could potentially be contaminated. They would exchange their money or credit card with the cashier as they’re adding warm moist air to their mask. As they walk out, they’ve just touched the door handle, they get their keys out come open the door and then sit down touching the gear shifter, turning the radio on or whatever else they do inside their car. Everything they’ve touched is potentially contaminated. We know that a virus can live on surfaces for prolonged periods of time. What I observed during that video I made, which I sent to my friends is astonishing and typical of how most Americans conduct their face mask wearing. Even in a professional setting where doctors and nurses are practicing the best hygiene they possibly could, infection rates are something to be concerned about. Now we have the average citizen who is wearing the same reusable nasty mask over and over just to satisfy a business so they can enter. To add to that, we’ve adopted cloth masks which are highly contaminant, worn over and over which is absolutely sending us backwards because the contamination is located on your face as you fidget with the mask all day long. Like I said, even in the best case scenario with professionals wearing masks, masks are not effective as indicated yet we are being told that this mask it’s going to slow the spread and save lives. I stand firm on the statement and I say this, masks are continually adding to the spread of the virus rather than the slowing of the virus. Anthony Fauci stated it properly in an interview when he said that nobody should be wearing a mask unless you are ill, coughing or sneezing. The main point that he made was that often we are fidgeting with the masks and there are unintended consequences. What do you think the unintended consequences are? The unintended consequences are we are contaminating everything we touch thus spreading contamination. You have all heard the saying that a mask catching a virus is similar to a chain-link fence trying to catch a mosquito. Now, I don’t subscribe to that theory and I think it’s somewhat false but what I will say is that the research that I’ve read indicates that when somebody sneezes or coughs through a mask, the discharge hits the air and moisture evaporates very quickly. Similarly to if you were to take a can of spray paint and sprayed into the air. If you spray that paint straight up, that paint will land on the ground dried. My point is as we sneeze and cough through our masks or even talk, our respiratory system is discharging anything that is contaminating it. As that discharge enters the atmosphere, the moisture evaporates almost immediately while any other particles remain separated from the moisture. The coronavirus is extremely small and can stay suspended in the air as a person walks about, sits down for a dinner. Currents in the air from ventilation, heating or cooling systems will cause tiny microscopic particles to stay airborne and follow currents. Improper use of the masks only decrease its ability to perform and don’t forget while in a controlled professional setting, non-mask wears compared to mask wearers we’re nearly identical in the rate of infection. A study in 2015 which I already posted above shows similar findings. Now we are still equipping people with non-scientific mandates and we are paying the price.
3) Mandates are limited in how long they can prohibit the free movement of people. Governors must enact new legislation if they want to continue to apply such restrictions to people yet they have not done that. These mandates do indeed prohibit people from functioning by the means in which they deem necessary. Since we can observe the fact that mandates have time limits, the breaking of that time limit goes against the liberty of a citizen to live his life as he sees fit. Currently, we are being exploited and prohibited from living our lives freely and necessary. Some of you may say that it’s worth doing anything that’s going to save lives and how can somebody argue with that but the reality is we are mandating masks which only spread the virus more than they contain the virus, subjecting people to tyranny which prohibits them from living their lives as they need to live them. The collateral damage from the mandates is extraordinarily high yet we continue to do the wrong thing over and over.
4) The survivability rate for those two contract COVID-19 is 99.7% for those who are 70 years of age and lower. Close to 82% of the population is made up of people that are 70 and younger yet we subject the majority of the population to extreme measures that slow our ability to reach heard immunity, destroy livelihoods, businesses, increase suicide, bankruptcy, alcoholism, child abuse, and all the other forms of social abuses.
5) Why is all this happening? Why is the United States as a sovereign nation being subjected to the philosophies and techniques of socialist and communist countries? Do we not have the ability to implement our own policy? Some of you may see my comments conspiracy theory type. It’s easy to prove that my comments are not conspiracy in nature. Look at what’s happening in our society today. Movements like black lives matter cofounder Patrice Kolors is a proclaimed Marxist. She made a second video addressing the fact that some people have called her a Marxist and in that video, she only confirms that it is not a suspicion but the fact is she is a Marxist. We embrace these types of people in our society today. We worship the environment rather than use the resources that it provides. Bernie Sanders was a socialist Democrat and gained much traction and has a lot of appeal to many people. The fact that socialism, environmentalism and progressive liberalism exist shows that we are transitioning from a traditionally conservative country to a different form. What I’m telling you is observable so it’s not speculation or conspiracy theory in nature. Something has to be done folks. As a Christian conservative, the good book shows that the world will indeed be a one world government so it is in evitable but does that mean that we just continue to give up traditional values and our freedoms? We send people overseas to defend our freedoms yet we allow them to be stolen from us in front of our very faces. We need to be willing to give up something and fight this abhorrent advancement of depravity. Today we embrace the idea that you determine what sex you are by how you feel, we don’t seem to fight the fact that pedophilia is rampant in this country. Our only hope is that we have a revival of our hearts and then we turned back to the living God Who articulated our God-given rights and freedoms in our US constitution. The Constitution and our bill of rights is the law of our land and they are in severe jeopardy right now. I think it’s worth fighting for and I’m willing to fight for it. What does that fight look like, I don’t know yet but I’m keeping my eyes open.
1) Early on last March, a CDC stat came out that expressed 80% of those who contract CV will have mild to no symptoms, part of the remaining 20% less than 15% of those will have flu like symptoms, with the death rate similar to the yearly flu. If this is the case, than why destroy businesses, increase all kinds of social problems such as suicide, alcoholism, child abuse, drug abuse, depression, bad attitudes, etc?
2) Mandate a mask order. I can accept a mandate for a period of time until that time period creates more damage than the crisis at hand. There have been controlled research studies, clinical trials of the effectiveness of masks. Prior to COVID-19, the results indicated that the controlled study groups fared no better for those wearing masks so why was the science not driving the mandate? Today, we are still following the narrative that masks slow the spread when indeed the science shows that a contaminated mask increases the risk of spreading the virus. I debate this topic often with friends and I was lucky enough to make a video one morning while I was pumping gas. I made a video at a gas station and watched numerous people enter the gas station. As they walked up to the gas station, they put their mask on. Next they touched the door, got their wallet out and payed for their purchases which sometimes included them buying items, opening doors, opening cooler doors etc. Now, everything they’ve touched since they touched their mask could potentially be contaminated. They would exchange their money or credit card with the cashier as they’re adding warm moist air to their mask. As they walk out, they’ve just touched the door handle, they get their keys out come open the door and then sit down touching the gear shifter, turning the radio on or whatever else they do inside their car. Everything they’ve touched is potentially contaminated. We know that a virus can live on surfaces for prolonged periods of time. What I observed during that video I made, which I sent to my friends is astonishing and typical of how most Americans conduct their face mask wearing. Even in a professional setting where doctors and nurses are practicing the best hygiene they possibly could, infection rates are something to be concerned about. Now we have the average citizen who is wearing the same reusable nasty mask over and over just to satisfy a business so they can enter. To add to that, we’ve adopted cloth masks which are highly contaminant, worn over and over which is absolutely sending us backwards because the contamination is located on your face as you fidget with the mask all day long. Like I said, even in the best case scenario with professionals wearing masks, masks are not effective as indicated yet we are being told that this mask it’s going to slow the spread and save lives. I stand firm on the statement and I say this, masks are continually adding to the spread of the virus rather than the slowing of the virus. Anthony Fauci stated it properly in an interview when he said that nobody should be wearing a mask unless you are ill, coughing or sneezing. The main point that he made was that often we are fidgeting with the masks and there are unintended consequences. What do you think the unintended consequences are? The unintended consequences are we are contaminating everything we touch thus spreading contamination. You have all heard the saying that a mask catching a virus is similar to a chain-link fence trying to catch a mosquito. Now, I don’t subscribe to that theory and I think it’s somewhat false but what I will say is that the research that I’ve read indicates that when somebody sneezes or coughs through a mask, the discharge hits the air and moisture evaporates very quickly. Similarly to if you were to take a can of spray paint and sprayed into the air. If you spray that paint straight up, that paint will land on the ground dried. My point is as we sneeze and cough through our masks or even talk, our respiratory system is discharging anything that is contaminating it. As that discharge enters the atmosphere, the moisture evaporates almost immediately while any other particles remain separated from the moisture. The coronavirus is extremely small and can stay suspended in the air as a person walks about, sits down for a dinner. Currents in the air from ventilation, heating or cooling systems will cause tiny microscopic particles to stay airborne and follow currents. Improper use of the masks only decrease its ability to perform and don’t forget while in a controlled professional setting, non-mask wears compared to mask wearers we’re nearly identical in the rate of infection. A study in 2015 which I already posted above shows similar findings. Now we are still equipping people with non-scientific mandates and we are paying the price.
3) Mandates are limited in how long they can prohibit the free movement of people. Governors must enact new legislation if they want to continue to apply such restrictions to people yet they have not done that. These mandates do indeed prohibit people from functioning by the means in which they deem necessary. Since we can observe the fact that mandates have time limits, the breaking of that time limit goes against the liberty of a citizen to live his life as he sees fit. Currently, we are being exploited and prohibited from living our lives freely and necessary. Some of you may say that it’s worth doing anything that’s going to save lives and how can somebody argue with that but the reality is we are mandating masks which only spread the virus more than they contain the virus, subjecting people to tyranny which prohibits them from living their lives as they need to live them. The collateral damage from the mandates is extraordinarily high yet we continue to do the wrong thing over and over.
4) The survivability rate for those two contract COVID-19 is 99.7% for those who are 70 years of age and lower. Close to 82% of the population is made up of people that are 70 and younger yet we subject the majority of the population to extreme measures that slow our ability to reach heard immunity, destroy livelihoods, businesses, increase suicide, bankruptcy, alcoholism, child abuse, and all the other forms of social abuses.
5) Why is all this happening? Why is the United States as a sovereign nation being subjected to the philosophies and techniques of socialist and communist countries? Do we not have the ability to implement our own policy? Some of you may see my comments conspiracy theory type. It’s easy to prove that my comments are not conspiracy in nature. Look at what’s happening in our society today. Movements like black lives matter cofounder Patrice Kolors is a proclaimed Marxist. She made a second video addressing the fact that some people have called her a Marxist and in that video, she only confirms that it is not a suspicion but the fact is she is a Marxist. We embrace these types of people in our society today. We worship the environment rather than use the resources that it provides. Bernie Sanders was a socialist Democrat and gained much traction and has a lot of appeal to many people. The fact that socialism, environmentalism and progressive liberalism exist shows that we are transitioning from a traditionally conservative country to a different form. What I’m telling you is observable so it’s not speculation or conspiracy theory in nature. Something has to be done folks. As a Christian conservative, the good book shows that the world will indeed be a one world government so it is in evitable but does that mean that we just continue to give up traditional values and our freedoms? We send people overseas to defend our freedoms yet we allow them to be stolen from us in front of our very faces. We need to be willing to give up something and fight this abhorrent advancement of depravity. Today we embrace the idea that you determine what sex you are by how you feel, we don’t seem to fight the fact that pedophilia is rampant in this country. Our only hope is that we have a revival of our hearts and then we turned back to the living God Who articulated our God-given rights and freedoms in our US constitution. The Constitution and our bill of rights is the law of our land and they are in severe jeopardy right now. I think it’s worth fighting for and I’m willing to fight for it. What does that fight look like, I don’t know yet but I’m keeping my eyes open.
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goofy600
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Lenny, question for you. When covid first came to the US what was your thought at that time, not months later just when it first got here? It basically hit right around Easter which happens to be same time as spring break in Wisconsin so our family figured ok extended spring break probably 2-3 weeks then it would have run it’s coarse. Was that similar to yours or did you have other thoughts?
dfattack
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I agree with you Lenny. Lot's of crap going on and if nothing is done about it most in society are going to wake up one day and say "what the heck just happened?" Most of them don't follow news or world events and don't have a clue what's going on. Good for them...for now. I have relatives that I love that don't want to listen or follow current events since it depresses them. All I can say is I'm thankful most didn't think this way back in 1776. We wouldn't be here now discussing these matters.
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Yeah, well, I agree lenny, what is going on, eh? Just take for a example, Steve Bannon? He is a self proclaimed Leninist communist! And low and behold he becomes a close adviser to the US President? People had better wake up for sure, as there is so much more this! I can very well remember as growing up, to hear Nikita Khrushchev say Russia could defeat us without ever firing a shot! Also, I believe it was Adams who said we would lose our Liberty/Freedom from within? Very concerning indeed!
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lenny
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Very early on, the statistic of 80% will have mild to no symptoms cinched the deal for me to not be very concerned about this. Immediately the lock downs seemed excessive and a few weeks later I was advocating that it was an infringement on our rights. I got a letter from the state of Michigan saying that I was not an essential worker and was told not to work, that didn’t go over too well needless to say. The government determining who is essential and who is not is a violation right there which I could deal with for a few weeks but the whole thing had seemed suspicious from the onset! In April, I was protesting by myself out in front of the sheriffs office with a sign speaking about tyranny. In September, I was out front of the health department office with the same sign, having conversations with some of the workers at the health department. Most people don’t know how to respond to this thing because they’re scared and they’re used to being naïve and good hearted so they just accept these things. I don’t think people are stupid for following the orders, rather, simply think they’re naïve and could never fathom that their own government would not have their best interest.
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BigSix
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I appreciate the respectful discourse on this topic.
I am a numbers guy; my profession is technical sales of industrial equipment. When this all started last year, I became very suspect about the data being published. The data sets used were constantly changing, seeming to make things look worse than they actually were. Mask information above is very interesting and logical. Also, if COVID originated in China, how could their case numbers and fatalities be so much lower than in the US? China has 8 cities that have greater populations than New York City and typically with higher density.
I was infected with COVID-19 last November and it wacked me hard. I was flat on my back for about 8 days with fatigue and body aches. I never had breathing problems, thankfully. The county health department contacted me about 2 weeks after my positive test and talked with me on the phone for over 20 minutes, mostly for contact tracing. I told them where I went prior to becoming ill but told them I always wore a mask. They said a mask wont prevent a person from getting COVID, only lowers the likely hood of them spreading it. They said I probably got it from touching something (shopping cart, door handle, etc.) and then getting in my truck and touching my face. My wife and my adult son both lived in the same house I did and never got ill and both tested negative, twice. Strange.
If you watch or listen to a show that is named after the person who stars in that show (Rush, Chris Matthews, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Shawn Hannity, etc.) for anything other than entertainment, caution is advised as most information on those shows is the opinion of the star.
Back to the thread title: I got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine this past Saturday morning. Had some minor side effects (chills, dull headache) but feel fine now. My life has not been greatly affected by COVID but looking forward to getting back to normal.
I am a numbers guy; my profession is technical sales of industrial equipment. When this all started last year, I became very suspect about the data being published. The data sets used were constantly changing, seeming to make things look worse than they actually were. Mask information above is very interesting and logical. Also, if COVID originated in China, how could their case numbers and fatalities be so much lower than in the US? China has 8 cities that have greater populations than New York City and typically with higher density.
I was infected with COVID-19 last November and it wacked me hard. I was flat on my back for about 8 days with fatigue and body aches. I never had breathing problems, thankfully. The county health department contacted me about 2 weeks after my positive test and talked with me on the phone for over 20 minutes, mostly for contact tracing. I told them where I went prior to becoming ill but told them I always wore a mask. They said a mask wont prevent a person from getting COVID, only lowers the likely hood of them spreading it. They said I probably got it from touching something (shopping cart, door handle, etc.) and then getting in my truck and touching my face. My wife and my adult son both lived in the same house I did and never got ill and both tested negative, twice. Strange.
If you watch or listen to a show that is named after the person who stars in that show (Rush, Chris Matthews, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Shawn Hannity, etc.) for anything other than entertainment, caution is advised as most information on those shows is the opinion of the star.
Back to the thread title: I got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine this past Saturday morning. Had some minor side effects (chills, dull headache) but feel fine now. My life has not been greatly affected by COVID but looking forward to getting back to normal.
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lenny
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Thanks for the kind sentiment but do you guys realize how fast a guy like me would be run right outta town? There is little place in leadership for someone like me who opposes so much of what’s going on in this country. I’d have every phobia and ism attached to my name. I’d literally be a laughing stock! The swamp is so deep, it’s more like quicksand.
On a side note, it’s entirety possible that the non vaccinated will be greatly limited in his/her ability to move about freely, wait for it,,,,,,,
That is my concern as well. Show me your papers! Wanna get on a plane? Show me your papers. Wanna go into that concert? Show me your papers. Wanna go into walmart? (I don't. Never.) Show me your papers. I have been reading these posts but bit my tounge. If it comes down to where I can't go and do what I want because I won't get this freaking shot that is when trouble is gonna start.
mezz
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<br><br>Unless 80% of the populous gets vaccinated, this is what it will take to for us to reach a herd immunity level according to the CDC. So, if your are in that 20 percentile that does not wish to be vaccinated, there should not be an issue. Either way, I have chosen to get the vaccine due to underlying health issues plus recovering from back surgery. Shot one is done, shot two in 3 weeks. I just want this chit to be over, it's really old. -Mezz<br>
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I have to agree mezz! Lets get this over with, and the sooner the better! I've had both my shots with no problems other than a bit of muscle tightness where the shot was.
My boss is pro vaccine shot, he has had it, and his mom has had it. Today he was having a discussion with his younger brother, apparently their sister was exposed to someone with covid. He was telling his younger brother "Ashley CANNOT come visit mom until she tests negative!" Huh? But, the mom is fully vaccinated, so she can't get it right? What a joke.
goofy600
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Not necessarily true the Johnson and Johnson you can still get it but shouldn’t have to get hospitalized or die. Not sure what what exactly are the clams of the other vaccines. As for a family (or person) that is still that paranoid that’s a little crazy if you ask me but not my call. Also she can just go get the test also and then make decisions based on test results, and determine if she needs quarantine.
Skylar, how long has she been fully vaccinated? As it takes some time after being fully vaccinated to be immune to the virus. The older the more time required. My close friends in their early 70's where told 4 weeks with their Moderna vaccines. I am somewhat younger, and got the Pfizer, and was told 3 weeks. Just saying, hope this may help.