momoney2123
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1200 doo better option coming off apex and is just as reliable with a MUCH better handing and riding chassis
What is top speed ace 900???
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1200 doo better option coming off apex and is just as reliable with a MUCH better handing and riding chassis
Test drove a renegade 900 and tnt shorty 1200 thursday.. 900 nice engine, quiet smooth good acceleration up to 70 and better top speed than I thought-- 87 indicated on packed lake trail, and it accelerated nicely to its 87 - 90 mph top speed. 1200 shorty tnt was fast!! Did not feel nose heavy, very maneuverable... 2016 updated 1200 with it is amazing!! Way different animal than my 2014 1200...
Friday I test drove a renegade 1200, blizzard 900 and blizzard 1200... Rode blizzard 900 first. Nice engine, blizzard adjustable skis work nice, no darting, very positive steering.. no pushing.. i figured the blizzard 900 is the way to go untill i got on the blizzard 1200... as soon as I drove across dealer lot i knew the 1200 is the engine to get... smooth, quiet and holy crap it takes off nice!! 800 e-tech acceleration? ? Almost?? The ice ripper track with the little studs in the tip of the lugs and new adjustable skis kept the blizzard from sliding the rear end out on icy corners and the new fancy schmancy skis also helped in icy corners. I rode the blzrd 900 about 10 miles and the 1200 60 miles and didnt want to give it back - it was way fun!!! The 1200 blzrd seemed to ride better than the 900, maybe a tic more weight over the skis helped ?? The only drawback was it was a little bouncy on the smaller stutter bumps.. now don't all our expert friends that write reviews in the sno mo magazines say the best ever R - motion suspension soaks up the stutter bumps??? I'm 240 with gear on and rear pre load was on 2, front shocks on 2, center shock on factory setting. Maybe if I had time to monkey with settings I coulda gotten rid of the bumpy ride... handled great tho. Cornered great, awesome accelleration, smooth engine.
Now.. to make decision tougher, a guy I met on the trail let me drive his new Rush Axys switchback with the Walker Evans shock package... i think if i set the Axys up for my weight it would have a nicer ride than my 2014 gsx se 1200... ( I would like to thank the great guy that let me ride his new Axys!!! ) And the doo dealer rides a 2016 renegade X and says with those x shocks I could get a better smoother ride than my gsx... another tangent... trails were pretty beat up in the hurley area by Saturday evening. Very little snow in the forcast with warm temps... is season ending soon? Ending this week? I think I'm going to hold off buying anything untill the 2017's are announced. By then If snow conditions don't improve I'm anticipating better deals on the 2016's.
That's my strategy.. I was getting caught up in the doo rebates and 0% financing that ends this week. The blizzard 1200 was fun, but it didn't really grab me where I had to have it... this week I'm gonna shoot for a test drive on the polaris sleds.. is it summer yet??
Friday I test drove a renegade 1200, blizzard 900 and blizzard 1200... Rode blizzard 900 first. Nice engine, blizzard adjustable skis work nice, no darting, very positive steering.. no pushing.. i figured the blizzard 900 is the way to go untill i got on the blizzard 1200... as soon as I drove across dealer lot i knew the 1200 is the engine to get... smooth, quiet and holy crap it takes off nice!! 800 e-tech acceleration? ? Almost?? The ice ripper track with the little studs in the tip of the lugs and new adjustable skis kept the blizzard from sliding the rear end out on icy corners and the new fancy schmancy skis also helped in icy corners. I rode the blzrd 900 about 10 miles and the 1200 60 miles and didnt want to give it back - it was way fun!!! The 1200 blzrd seemed to ride better than the 900, maybe a tic more weight over the skis helped ?? The only drawback was it was a little bouncy on the smaller stutter bumps.. now don't all our expert friends that write reviews in the sno mo magazines say the best ever R - motion suspension soaks up the stutter bumps??? I'm 240 with gear on and rear pre load was on 2, front shocks on 2, center shock on factory setting. Maybe if I had time to monkey with settings I coulda gotten rid of the bumpy ride... handled great tho. Cornered great, awesome accelleration, smooth engine.
Now.. to make decision tougher, a guy I met on the trail let me drive his new Rush Axys switchback with the Walker Evans shock package... i think if i set the Axys up for my weight it would have a nicer ride than my 2014 gsx se 1200... ( I would like to thank the great guy that let me ride his new Axys!!! ) And the doo dealer rides a 2016 renegade X and says with those x shocks I could get a better smoother ride than my gsx... another tangent... trails were pretty beat up in the hurley area by Saturday evening. Very little snow in the forcast with warm temps... is season ending soon? Ending this week? I think I'm going to hold off buying anything untill the 2017's are announced. By then If snow conditions don't improve I'm anticipating better deals on the 2016's.
That's my strategy.. I was getting caught up in the doo rebates and 0% financing that ends this week. The blizzard 1200 was fun, but it didn't really grab me where I had to have it... this week I'm gonna shoot for a test drive on the polaris sleds.. is it summer yet??
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Cirrus_Driver
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The Walker Evans shocks are totally amazing and quick adjustable. Only reason I didn't pull the trigger on Indy 600 SP for wife is I thought the AXYS with WE would serve her better. If there's better shocks out there, I'd have to see it to believe it. Walker Evans entirely worth the extra money over anything else Polaris offers for sure.
Cool. I want to try a polaris with the W E shocks. Looks like Polaris is giving big rebates and 0% financing till end of Feb too.
groomerdriver
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X2 million!
Yes!! I'm hooked on 4 strokes now... I'm a high mile rider, my POS had 7100 miles on it after 2 seasons, and last year was a bad snow year. 5500 miles on it 1st year. I'd be scared each time I got up over 50 mph if it were a 2
stroke.... just another of my phobias. I'm sure modern 2 strokes make 10,000 miles no prob.
So polaris owners, what is the most reliable engine? 600? Or new 800?? Who has the best polaris deals?? I'm scared of 2 strokes but if the new Axys polarises have a better ride than my 2014 ski doo gsx se 1200 with the air ride, I'll buy an extended warranty and some polaris stock
lol!!!
Good god if I buy a 2 stroke brace yourself for my thread on the best oil for a new polaris 2 stroke!!!
stroke.... just another of my phobias. I'm sure modern 2 strokes make 10,000 miles no prob.
So polaris owners, what is the most reliable engine? 600? Or new 800?? Who has the best polaris deals?? I'm scared of 2 strokes but if the new Axys polarises have a better ride than my 2014 ski doo gsx se 1200 with the air ride, I'll buy an extended warranty and some polaris stock
lol!!!
Good god if I buy a 2 stroke brace yourself for my thread on the best oil for a new polaris 2 stroke!!!
srt20
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If you are scared of 2 strokes blowing up, don't buy one.
2 strokes just don't last as long as a 4 stroke, it's a fact. Would you rather be worrying every ride if this is the trip it goes down? Or would you rather be grumbling under your breath because the ride isn't quite as good as a poo? (Which is debatable anyway)
I'm not a poo basher, I own 4 poo sleds and none of them have stock Pistons in them. But it's not a big deal for me to replace Pistons as a maintenance item. 2800 miles on my 13 SB 800 and the Pistons were pretty much used up. I replaced them before it made a mess in the motor.
2 strokes just don't last as long as a 4 stroke, it's a fact. Would you rather be worrying every ride if this is the trip it goes down? Or would you rather be grumbling under your breath because the ride isn't quite as good as a poo? (Which is debatable anyway)
I'm not a poo basher, I own 4 poo sleds and none of them have stock Pistons in them. But it's not a big deal for me to replace Pistons as a maintenance item. 2800 miles on my 13 SB 800 and the Pistons were pretty much used up. I replaced them before it made a mess in the motor.
Well said you have to maintain 2s be careful powercruising. I don't want to worry about how fast I go in what temp or where I am in the 2s wear process. When I had 2s I was worried all the time & sooner or later bang & then the big repair bill. 2s not for me any brand but all brands of 4s pretty darn good.
Just callled a polaris dealer, they have some polaris factory demos for the next few days. I'm gonna try and go there before they leave. Price for a 600 switchback with walker evans shocks about the same as a blizzard 1200, $9500 pull start, $9800 elec strt before tax license and fees... I think he said. I do want to test drive the polarises just to compare. If I don't think the polaris has a better ride than the ski doo, I'll most likely get the 2016 Blizzard 1200... maybe wait till the 2017's are announced and hopefully 2016's will be even cheaper!!
srt20
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Power cruising is not an issue on 2 stroke engines. Speed, ambient temp, is not an issue unless your sled is poorly maintained, same as a 4 stroke.
2 strokes Pistons are a maintenance item, that's the difference. You spend $200 at dealer to change your oil every year, I spend $200 every 2 years to change Pistons myself.
I will agree, if riding flat smooth RR grades, the 4s will probably be more relaxing, less noise and vibration. Get into tight twisties with moguls, the 2s will probably be better.
It's all about what you want to get out of your experience. But saying 4s is the only way to go for power cruising is false, just like saying RMK is the only way to go for mtns. Look up Chris Brown on YouTube, he can do things with a heavy Nytro that most of us cant do on a RMK.
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Good plan, when shopping I make sure I drive every single model that is comparable to what I'm looking for. Just to make sure you don't make a mistake.
Goes for sleds, cars, trucks, utvs, etc. I was convinced I was going to buy a Can Am Maverick 4 seater until I test drove a RZR 4 seater. All my research was telling me the Maverick was better on paper. But it wasn't better for my butt.
2 stroke power cruising was huge issue for me & yes can do it but too much worry for me & terrible track record in my case. As said I don't want to put in pistons or do compression tests to see how the engine is wearing & know I have to do that with any 2s which is aok for thsoe that do. 4s just a better more reliable engine for me & have not had 1 engine problem in 18,000 miles nor have any of my 4s buds. I agree no sense worrying about 2s problems if it is going to haunt you during ride fun.
groomerdriver
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I and many others WISH.....
Set up to mfg 2s in axys would need a 4s engine platform to fit or new platform for 4s. Poo has said their maketing results is 2s all the way don't see 4s as an expansion market for them. Ok their call but could have a 4s trail sled if they wanted to. On the other hand way out front in 2s moutain sleds so prolly want to continue on that path of least resistance and low hanging fruit where the money is for them. 4s trail sled would be an up hill battle to catch up with doo,yammie , ac & tuff ROI to consider unless in it to win it. So no for now & near future...maybe in distant future.
groomerdriver
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And you know all of this because you are friends with Scott Wine?
What's with your tude today? I read a lot... Poo marketing study position about 4s was made public in mag thought I would share info. Talk to any poo factory rep at any show they will tell you the same thing. Not a secret by any means.
groomerdriver
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It's not just today when it comes to some of the so called "knowledge" you share on this board. That's all I'm going to say on the subject. BTW - good post about the mitts on PD's thread! Serious!
You've been around long enough.....when did you start believing what reps, mags, etc. said? Jesus Pete....these people are SWORN to secrecy IF they are told something. If I let out what I know about my customer's R&D activities I'd get fired in a nanosecond and would never work again in my industry.
But let's return to Richard's dilemma and help him spend money! LOL!
You've been around long enough.....when did you start believing what reps, mags, etc. said? Jesus Pete....these people are SWORN to secrecy IF they are told something. If I let out what I know about my customer's R&D activities I'd get fired in a nanosecond and would never work again in my industry.
But let's return to Richard's dilemma and help him spend money! LOL!
It's not just today when it comes to some of the so called "knowledge" you share on this board. That's all I'm going to say on the subject. BTW - good post about the mitts on PD's thread! Serious!
You've been around long enough.....when did you start believing what reps, mags, etc. said? Jesus Pete....these people are SWORN to secrecy IF they are told something. If I let out what I know about my customer's R&D activities I'd get fired in a nanosecond and would never work again in my industry.
But let's return to Richard's dilemma and help him spend money! LOL!
JD has always been a free exchange of ideas & expressions & I don't care what menbers say I'm not going to censor them ....no point in that. I'm not going to give each dealer sales person & factory rep a lie detector test just take what is said & move on but all of the verbal exchange is information. Yamaha factory rep told me at Wausau show 2 new pure Japan mfg Yamaha platforms on the cook for 2017 & now American Snowmobiler said the same in latest issue. IMO take it or leave the info up to you but why not post the info & share source as an answer to a question that is asked?
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Cirrus_Driver
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What you gain with 4 stroke tank motors in the "non-worry" dept, you lose in the "ride" dept on inferior chassis. Emphasis on inferior. I've found with people, some don't know, what they don't know.
Mr. Groomer, the answer to that is NO. There is only one tank mfg'r. ACE900 at 501 lbs is no tank.
Mr. Groomer, the answer to that is NO. There is only one tank mfg'r. ACE900 at 501 lbs is no tank.
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