What's the skinny on the new AZ immigration law??

[booondocker]

DC, I think you are guilty of "reading" into this law more so than should be.

Nobody says anything about "race" to be reviewed, and the press no doubt, has skipped right over this part and gone right to the conclusion that "race" will be the source for the cop to use when and if they pull someone over. Cop can use his own "judgement" that can be lack of hair, twitchy eyes, smell of his/her breath, or anyone driving a pickup truck with a Texas plate on it. Law does NOT say they should use any form of race profiling.

For all we know, they will ask, white, yellow, and brown people too, for proof.

And if I were NASH, I would dig out that dusty old birth certificate and make a photo copy so that he can just cut to the chase if he gets pulled over driven his, Desota around out there in lizard land! Course if he speaks, Yooperizee...that should be enough to get him off the hook along with that yellowed up birth certificate from Bessemer...

 

[Skylar]

It's not about the rights of the illegals dam*it! It's about the rights of the 2 million LEGAL Hispanic citizens of the State of AZ who will be subjected to undue search and detainment due the the discretionary nature of a poorly written law and the unfortunate fact that the LEGAL citizens look exactly like 75% of the illegals.

Poorly written how?

 

[Skylar]

DC, I think you are guilty of "reading" into this law more so than should be.

Nobody says anything about "race" to be reviewed, and the press no doubt, has skipped right over this part and gone right to the conclusion that "race" will be the source for the cop to use when and if they pull someone over. Cop can use his own "judgement" that can be lack of hair, twitchy eyes, smell of his/her breath, or anyone driving a pickup truck with a Texas plate on it. Law does NOT say they should use any form of race profiling.

For all we know, they will ask, white, yellow, and brown people too, for proof.

And if I were NASH, I would dig out that dusty old birth certificate and make a photo copy so that he can just cut to the chase if he gets pulled over driven his, Desota around out there in lizard land! Course if he speaks, Yooperizee...that should be enough to get him off the hook along with that yellowed up birth certificate from Bessemer...

Exactly, as are a lot of people in this country.

 

[sabercat]

Are the hispanic americans are such thin skinned wussies that if asked for id it would crush there sell worth and destroy their lives forever? Seems like only the illegal terrorists have something to worry about.

I have a feeling that if the government started requiring citizenship id to be carried by all, whitey would do it without crying about it.

 

[dcsnomo]

DC, I think you are guilty of "reading" into this law more so than should be.

Nobody says anything about "race" to be reviewed, and the press no doubt, has skipped right over this part and gone right to the conclusion that "race" will be the source for the cop to use when and if they pull someone over. Cop can use his own "judgement" that can be lack of hair, twitchy eyes, smell of his/her breath, or anyone driving a pickup truck with a Texas plate on it. Law does NOT say they should use any form of race profiling.

For all we know, they will ask, white, yellow, and brown people too, for proof.

And if I were NASH, I would dig out that dusty old birth certificate and make a photo copy so that he can just cut to the chase if he gets pulled over driven his, Desota around out there in lizard land! Course if he speaks, Yooperizee...that should be enough to get him off the hook along with that yellowed up birth certificate from Bessemer...

Maybe, but racial profiling is an active issue in Maricopa County.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/01/nation/la-na-sweeps-20100501

Excerpt here:
For three years, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been arguably the most aggressive law enforcement official in the country in using his powers to enforce federal immigration laws. Most prominently, since 2008 he has sent hundreds of his deputies and sworn volunteers on "sweeps" through immigrant-heavy neighborhoods, where they stop jaywalkers or drivers with broken taillights and ask for identification and immigration information. An analysis by civil rights lawyers found 70% of those arrested in these operations have Spanish surnames. Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix and Scottsdale, is only 31% Latino, the majority of whom are legal residents or U.S. citizens.

 

[frnash]

… And if I were NASH, I would dig out that dusty old birth certificate and make a photo copy so that he can just cut to the chase if he gets pulled over driven his, Desota around out there in lizard land! Course if he speaks, Yooperizee...that should be enough to get him off the hook along with that yellowed up birth certificate from Bessemer …

Oh, I'm inna heap 'o trouble now!
That old yeller birth certificate doesn't even have my name on it! Yeah, dat'll do me a lotta good! Must be a fake, eh? And if dey hear me speakin' Yooperese, dey'll prob'ly take me for an illegal Canuck! (What do dey know from Yooperese?)

Pytavey, is was from Detroit, not "Bezmer"!

 

[dcsnomo]

Poorly written how?

"WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT."

What is "reasonable suspicion'?
Action?
Address?
Race?

How does an illegal alien act or look differently than the 31% of the population that is legal Hispanic?

 

[dcsnomo]

Are the hispanic americans are such thin skinned wussies that if asked for id it would crush there sell worth and destroy their lives forever? Seems like only the illegal terrorists have something to worry about.

I have a feeling that if the government started requiring citizenship id to be carried by all, whitey would do it without crying about it.

No! Not the point!!! It is about the potential of harassment of 2million people who are legal citizens by implementation of a law that does not specify the condition for implementation.

You a Latino? Fine, I will pull you over day after day, sweep your neighborhood, and treat you differently than the white community on the basis of race even though you are a legal citizen. Why? Because I have "reasonable suspicion"!

 

[dcsnomo]

Oh, I'm inna heap 'o trouble now!
That old yeller birth certificate doesn't even have my name on it! Yeah, dat'll do me a lotta good! Must be a fake, eh? And if dey hear me speakin' Yooperese, dey'll prob'ly take me for an illegal Canuck! (What do dey know from Yooperese?)

Pytavey, is was from Detroit, not "Bezmer"!

Hey Nash, is your birth certificate #1?

 

[dcsnomo]

I'm done

Gotta go paint wrought iron
Later!

 

[ezra]

why don't all you people worried about racial profiling go to a airport like say Amsterdam and tell me you don't like a bit of racial profiling.**** even a local air port where the 22yr old guy who cant speak a lick of English with a Iranian passport walks right through when you have to take off your shoes.then you get to your gate and guess who is on the plane with you.what are your thoughts on racial profiling now? I know what mine are granny is not dropping planes.I have been there a few times

 

[Skylar]

"WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT."

What is "reasonable suspicion'?
Action?
Address?
Race?

How does an illegal alien act or look differently than the 31% of the population that is legal Hispanic?

I understand your point. And I cannot answer your question.

How about we do this, every legal citizen gets an "ID" card or whatever one wants to call it, and we ALL get stopped and checked for ID just because, with no suspicion needed. It becomes away of life. Whites, blacks, hispanics, etc etc. There, how about that idea? I am all for it. And no it wouldn't bother me one bit.

 

[Skylar]

One more thing concerning reasonable suspicion. Back in 1993 my wife and I were returning from Jamacia from our honeymoon. When we got to Chicago and were getting off the plane, everybody was moving in the same direction, except my wife and I were told to go to a diffrent area, where they emptied our carry on bags and searched everything. At this time I had some very long hair, when I asked why we were being searched, I was told because of my long hair, and I was returning from Jamacia, they had reasonable suspicion to search us for drugs. I laughed and said ok, well thanks for doing your job! it didn't bother me at all. But, when telling the story to friends at home, a lot of them said they would have been pissed about it. Me? Who cares, I had nothing to hide.

 

[harvest1121]

So if your white and get pulled over you are expected to have a dl and insurance. So if someone gets pulled over or commits a crime no id should bring up red flags. If you have a large ethnic back ground that is here without going through the proper way they have to be targeted. If they do not have proper id.

Everyone does profile people. If I see a car that does not belong in my subdivision I am looking at it. They just need to stop all the welfare and build the big fence. I think they said it was 4 billion they had that for cash for clunkers so why not build the fence to stop people from swimming over.

 

[dcsnomo]

I understand your point. And I cannot answer your question.

How about we do this, every legal citizen gets an "ID" card or whatever one wants to call it, and we ALL get stopped and checked for ID just because, with no suspicion needed. It becomes away of life. Whites, blacks, hispanics, etc etc. There, how about that idea? I am all for it. And no it wouldn't bother me one bit.

Wouldn't bother me either...it's fair.

 

[snobuilder]

Political correctness and those who debate from behind its shield are systematicly killing our country.

 

[ash2266]

Hay, this is a real crazy idea. Why not close the boarder? Then enforce the laws we do have. What happened to the wall along the mexican boarder? I am all for imigration, just do it the right way if it takes years to do it then, so be it. Yes, clamp down on the employers too.

 

[ash2266]

If the feds did there job the states would not have to pass laws like AZ. Let's face it, it's all about the votes. God forbid we affend anyone, except us citizens.

 

[dcsnomo]

Hay, this is a real crazy idea. Why not close the boarder? Then enforce the laws we do have. What happened to the wall along the mexican boarder? I am all for imigration, just do it the right way if it takes years to do it then, so be it. Yes, clamp down on the employers too.

The problem with closing the border is that it is 2000 miles long. That would be the same distance as from Hudson WI to Los Angeles. How would you close it?

Before you say National Guard, remember that the Border Patrol currently has 17,000 agents effectively closing 700 miles of border. If you extrapolate that to the 2000 miles that is a deployment of 50,000 troops, and it would need to be permanent 'cause as soon as they pulled out the problem would start again.

If it was my problem to solve I would reduce demand by going after the employers. No jobs, no aliens.

 

[dcsnomo]

WOW...its about the rights of us AMERICANS who are sick of this crap......They are here sucking off our Country they pay no taxes and suck the money from our Economy!!

My Grandfather came here thru Ellis island, worked hard to get what he had....payed taxes and contributed to make a better home..

And the 2 million LEGAL citizens of Hispanic heritage in the State of AZ are legal! Just like you! They are legal, working, Chevrolet driving, tax paying, home buying, child rearing, WalMart shopping Americans.

Your comment refers to ILLEGAL aliens. My comments refer to 2 million legal, legitimate citizens. I am an American of west European descent. They are Americans of Mexican descent.

They are as American as you