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Almost 50 Snowmobile Citations Given During Derby Weekend
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Stopping an entire group of 60 sledders would very likely constitute violation of this right.
FIRST year law student would know this.
Wow anonomoose....a member of the 60 sledders admitted that at least two citations for invalid registration stickers were written...not having a valid registration sticker clearly visible constitutes probable cause...maybe your first year law student missed that day.
I think jpsted voted for Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nope, quite the contrary...
But I'm tired of my favorite recreation activity continuously coming under attack because of the dumb azz stuff that a large number of riders continue to commit.
So if setting up checkpoints gets even a small fraction of them off the trail I'm all for it!
And if you set out each day on one of your trips with a valid registration, obey the laws of operating a snowmobile and don't drink and ride to the point of intoxication...I can't understand why your so against them.
Some of you want to view a check point as a violation of your constitutional rights....which is a weak argument at best (frankly if it were in fact a violation i have no doubt it would have been challenged in a court some where by now)...my experience is that those that typically ride on the edge of the envelope in following the current laws are the ones who are the most vocal about the existence of checkpoints. I've seen some people post that they believe there are enough laws on the books....which is likely true....but then you whine when someone wants to enforce them...and the reason we need to enforce them are mainly because of all the azzes who still believe it okay or even cool to get drunk and ride.
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Ah jeez.
I was not in ER but checkpoints are illegal in Wisconsin under Wisconsin state statute 349.02(2)(a). I believe they are illegal in MI and MN as well. You can interpret the statute any way you wish but you cannot deny that it was put on the books for a reason.
349.02 (2)(a)
(a) Notwithstanding sub. (1), a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector may not stop or inspect a vehicle solely to determine compliance with a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) unless the police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector has reasonable cause to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) has been committed. This paragraph does not limit the authority of a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector to make an arrest or issue a citation for a violation of any statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) observed in the course of a stop or inspection made for a lawful purpose. This paragraph does not apply to a traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector in the performance of duties under s. 110.075 (2).
Right. There are too many laws on the books. Why should someone invent new ones?
If you are not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you mind being detained.
I was not in ER but checkpoints are illegal in Wisconsin under Wisconsin state statute 349.02(2)(a). I believe they are illegal in MI and MN as well. You can interpret the statute any way you wish but you cannot deny that it was put on the books for a reason.
349.02 (2)(a)
(a) Notwithstanding sub. (1), a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector may not stop or inspect a vehicle solely to determine compliance with a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) unless the police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector has reasonable cause to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) has been committed. This paragraph does not limit the authority of a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector to make an arrest or issue a citation for a violation of any statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) observed in the course of a stop or inspection made for a lawful purpose. This paragraph does not apply to a traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector in the performance of duties under s. 110.075 (2).
Right. There are too many laws on the books. Why should someone invent new ones?
If you are not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you mind being detained.
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Wow anonomoose....a member of the 60 sledders admitted that at least two citations for invalid registration stickers were written...not having a valid registration sticker clearly visible constitutes probable cause...maybe your first year law student missed that day.
He didn't --miss a day-- and neither would a competent judge find that stopping an entire 60 sled group to get two registration violations probable cause.
Probable cause is SEEING a sled go by without stickers. Since the whole group got pulled over by this law enforcement team, if you think about it, that was NOT a very good "find".
If you pulled 60 cars and trucks over, you could write tickets to more than that for broken taillights, non-functioning brake lights, headlights, marker lights, safety concerns, cracked windshields, the list is long and there are lots of violations to be had over that number of investigations as a matter of course. This surely does NOT constitute probable cause, and that is one of the first things a law student learns.
Wow anonomoose....a member of the 60 sledders admitted that at least two citations for invalid registration stickers were written...not having a valid registration sticker clearly visible constitutes probable cause...maybe your first year law student missed that day.
That would be probable cause to stop the one's with no sticker, but not the rest. Guilt by association? Not in my America.
Ah jeez.
I was not in ER but checkpoints are illegal in Wisconsin under Wisconsin state statute 349.02(2)(a). I believe they are illegal in MI and MN as well. You can interpret the statute any way you wish but you cannot deny that it was put on the books for a reason.
349.02 (2)(a)
(a) Notwithstanding sub. (1), a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector may not stop or inspect a vehicle solely to determine compliance with a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) unless the police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector has reasonable cause to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) has been committed. This paragraph does not limit the authority of a police officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector to make an arrest or issue a citation for a violation of any statute or ordinance specified under par. (b) observed in the course of a stop or inspection made for a lawful purpose. This paragraph does not apply to a traffic officer or motor vehicle inspector in the performance of duties under s. 110.075 (2).
Right. There are too many laws on the books. Why should someone invent new ones?
I didn't see DNR warden listed in that statute.
I think jpsted voted for Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did. I ride. I hunt. I'm just as American. I don't see your point.
I did. I ride. I hunt. I'm just as American. I don't see your point.
1.4 Trillion dollar deficit for two years in a row, bailing out banks, stealing the baby boomers retirement fund money via wall street. Loosing more jobs in one year then any prior president, more government spending and the cherry on the top of it all is going to be to change our health care system for ever(for the worse).
Not to mention getting strong armed by Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and other countries.
You just keep thanking me for all my tax money you get.
1.4 Trillion dollar deficit for two years in a row, bailing out banks, stealing the baby boomers retirement fund money via wall street. Loosing more jobs in one year then any prior president, more government spending and the cherry on the top of it all is going to be to change our health care system for ever(for the worse).
Not to mention getting strong armed by Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and other countries.
You just keep thanking me for all my tax money you get.
Not that I'm an Obama fan (far from it), but this has exactly what to do with "Almost 50 Snowmobile Citations Given During Derby Weekend"?
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I did. I ride. I hunt. I'm just as American. I don't see your point.
I Did,Need not say more Revman.I also do the same activities as you mention but I want my kids to enjoy them also in the future and their kids.I also would like to have my kids run my business in the future and with that Man in office at this time it looks doubtfull.His main goal is to control everything in your life by goverment control.Yes,The true Americans are sick of his b.s.Change is on the way(Mass.election is the start)God Loves You,Greg
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Not that I'm an Obama fan (far from it), but this has exactly what to do with "Almost 50 Snowmobile Citations Given During Derby Weekend"?
Check and see who controls the Wisconsin Dnr,Gov.Dole?Yes,and if I'm right I think he is part of our goverment.JEEEEEEEEEEEZ
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Not that I'm an Obama fan (far from it), but this has exactly what to do with "Almost 50 Snowmobile Citations Given During Derby Weekend"?
Did you figure out Russholio where the connection is to the 50 citations(revenue)jeeeeeeeez
Did you figure out Russholio where the connection is to the 50 citations(revenue)jeeeeeeeez
Nope. I still don't. I see a bunch of people that didn't all have registration and were drinking that got pulled over because they didn't all have registration and some were drinking. Not because of politicians that I may have or may not have voted for.
I'm done. Go out and ride. The season is almost over, so get out and enjoy the snow well all crave and love.
REVman
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Nope. I still don't. I see a bunch of people that didn't all have registration and were drinking that got pulled over because they didn't all have registration and some were drinking. Not because of politicians that I may have or may not have voted for.
I'm done. Go out and ride. The season is almost over, so get out and enjoy the snow well all crave and love.
REVman
Sorry for my rant REVman,Just crabby today.Think positive about the season we have a good 6 weekends left.Iwill be in the U.P. for 5 of them.
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Wow anonomoose....a member of the 60 sledders admitted that at least two citations for invalid registration stickers were written...not having a valid registration sticker clearly visible constitutes probable cause...maybe your first year law student missed that day.
Listen, I've tried to remain civil in this exchange, but it appears the intellectual level is not sufficient to deal with the topic being addressed.
IDIOT......sorry, I slipped, nobody has a problem with the 2 people that got the tickets, they have a problem with stopping the OTHER 58, BECAUSE THEY WERE WITH THE TWO, that showed probable cause for search. Get it now?
In any book, this is violation of civil liberties as indicated (above) by the fourth amendment of our very own constitution. But it's the DNR (damn near russia), so I guess they don't apply or answer to anyone other than the other idiot Jim Doyle.
Possibly before you start preaching, you can get a better handle on the concept of logic, and constitutional rights?
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Nor do I. I seriously doubt Obama has any clue that the DNR gave out almost 50 citations during derby weekend.
Sorry for the rant also RUSSHOLIO.And your right he doesn't have a clue.Bottom line is we don't need more enforcement that is goverment controled.Just need more self control in which we instill in our children as was instilled by our parents.