I have very little problems with the new signage! With that said I will say I blew two corners this winter. Now for the facts, both were well I was ridding at a slow speed watching other things! I was not paying attention to my ridding. I did know no sleds were coming my way but not watching the trail as I should have been. Both had a trail going striate and the snowmobile trail had a turn. Both were marked It was rider error! I was not paying attention I was sight seeing! Well riding at any speed and knowing my attention was a must I had no problems. I would still like bridge signs as we did reach bridges more the one time well oncoming traffic was hitting them at the same time. I also found some very poor trail conditions at some bridges. I did not see much help with good trail conditions because bridges were not marked.
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600_RMK_144
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get the ppv! Would you like to give us your view on the sign topic? Your more then welcome to join in.
I know, I know. Another attempt to put some humor into the thread and break up some of the fighting. My bad. IMO, if you are depending on a sign to tell you to slow down due to a corner, or a hazard, or whatever, then you are plain stupid. Personally, it scares me to know there are folks out there riding like that when I have my family out there with em. You should have control of your ride at all times and riding at a speed that you can negotiate any circumstance that may present itself, ANNOUNCED OR NOT (period). Keep in mind not only YOURSELF that you could injure (or kill) but families and children. It's a great FAMILY sport and those riding outside their ability or talent are putting them all in danger. Ok, I'll go back to my corner now. Pretty pumped for the fights tonight!
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POLARISDAN
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hahahahhaha funny stuff rmk
We could talk about oil instead.
polarisrider1
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Did I hear oil!!!! Hahahahaha!
POLARISDAN
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geez cant even imagine that thread
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lenny
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because the simple remedy is to slow down in appropriate areas and all is well, it's fool proof yet you COMPLAIN because you disagree with a plan that so far has been just fine EXCEPT for a select few,,. It make no sense to sit back and speculate till the cow come home (like you are doing),,, that's all you have offered to this debate is a personal displeasure. I have no problem with your personal displeasure. If your dislike keeps you away from the UP, better trail for us and you may stay alive. Honestly, I'd stay away so you don't get hurt and as you said. You cannot ride in control without signs to dictate to you what to do. That is the problem here and you are a prime example of why this new system has been implemented.
Bottom line: you say it was stupid because you believe that with NOTHING to back it up. I say it has worked with facts to back it up. You may as well give up with your approach because it is baseless.
Seriously, your position is about as meaningful as this,,,,,lszkfdjw fewuhfr9, fhshy8oosd9363hdnm, nnsyaoid0s662sd] cocka poopoo
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lenny
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I'm not letting him get away with a single thing here because all his content is personal opinion. In a debate we ought to go beyond opinion and look at actions and reactions. looks at statistics and intent. Weight out what people are saying. Firecat just plain don't like it without a reason other than speculation. Did you see how fast he jumped on board and said MI fatality report was a result of signage in the other thread? The mentality is dangerous and damaging. For as strong opinion he holds he ought to lean on information to back up his position but he continues to say the same thing over and over, "I don't like it,,It's stupid, lack of logic." What is really comes down to is Pat feels the need to be right and pride will not allow him to reason his position so he maintains himself based on opinion only.
He believe we have a problem with him because holds a different position and that is false. We all are entitled to hold a different opinion, that is a good thing. When we debate we look at all areas and convey a message. We learn from each other and offer insight but at some point we need to loose the opinion, if we are serious, and look and all that is involved rather than trying to back up an opinion.
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lenny
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well said and it take a honest man to say it the way you said it. many of us miss corners and as you say, we make mistakes. The sign was there and mistakes happen, glad you didn't collide with objects!
man, you said it perfectly, not sure why some cannot understand they need to be able to negotiate any circumstance and why they place blame elsewhere. I believe there is a deeper reason why people need scapegoats,,,,, because if they cannot blame someone else than they would have to accept they screwed up. it's easier to blame someone or something.
Brilliant! I mean dead on bud. All three posts are full of common sense and instruction. I really wish firecat could get this as he would be a much safer rider. I'd hate to hear he got hurt missing a corner.
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POLARISDAN
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not backing up cat here obviously, but opinions are ok as long as they dont turn into attacks..alot of the threads start as observations and opinions, and then the debate sometimes needs to move to facts
Firecatguy
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well Lenny show me your facts your stats!! you have the same personal feeling I do. you have no facts showing this is working either....
I been on a sled my entire life lenny your putting words in my mouth saying I ride out of control.you assume that I ride out of control you have no clue what my back ground is ..why are you the last word in saftey what makes you the guy who knows all?? how many years of trail boss have you had that qualifys you as the "man in know" how many years you have been riding before you made trail boss? As for me lenny I have ridden the trails in many many states how many you get out to compare the diffrence? or is this just how you feel not what you seenover the years...tell me this...Does taking down Road signs have same effect your looking for? maybe take down all the speed limit signs and the curve signs then everyone will slowdown? I do get wht your saying yet I dont belive its going to add to the general saftey of a trail sys. we have very bad signage here in south metro I have spent many nights recovering sleds from crash!! I have seen the faces of the dead on the trail I have seen this first hand "its what I do for a living" I have seen why they are dead and most the time it was missing something like a turn or drinking....I do not get why you would take this kind time and money to fight signs yet nothing to ennforce the real problems like drinking!!!less signage is not where you start IMO!! I have seen where a roadway has taken a life!! the state did not remove signs they ADDED SIGNAGE and the accidents in said spot stoped...crazy how that works.....not sure if you know this up there but in the rest the world to get people to slow down the put up speed limit signs not take them down to confuse people....most people are not like you and just drive around and know every turn in the trail some come from far away and never been to the area...55 is the speed limit up there and that deserves signage to safely run trails at 55...you do know there is a speed limit in Mich right?
see what you did Dave B??added nothing again thats what you do add nothing and start internet fights...only little kids do that Dave B.....Dave you need to take a deep breath and step away from this thread your the reason this got off track i have no isue talking about this untill someone like you adds nothing then insult people for there belifes and that is just sad Dave B so i will ask you "just like I did in a pvt msg" please if you have nothing to add just dont say anything your doing this site no good.....
I been on a sled my entire life lenny your putting words in my mouth saying I ride out of control.you assume that I ride out of control you have no clue what my back ground is ..why are you the last word in saftey what makes you the guy who knows all?? how many years of trail boss have you had that qualifys you as the "man in know" how many years you have been riding before you made trail boss? As for me lenny I have ridden the trails in many many states how many you get out to compare the diffrence? or is this just how you feel not what you seenover the years...tell me this...Does taking down Road signs have same effect your looking for? maybe take down all the speed limit signs and the curve signs then everyone will slowdown? I do get wht your saying yet I dont belive its going to add to the general saftey of a trail sys. we have very bad signage here in south metro I have spent many nights recovering sleds from crash!! I have seen the faces of the dead on the trail I have seen this first hand "its what I do for a living" I have seen why they are dead and most the time it was missing something like a turn or drinking....I do not get why you would take this kind time and money to fight signs yet nothing to ennforce the real problems like drinking!!!less signage is not where you start IMO!! I have seen where a roadway has taken a life!! the state did not remove signs they ADDED SIGNAGE and the accidents in said spot stoped...crazy how that works.....not sure if you know this up there but in the rest the world to get people to slow down the put up speed limit signs not take them down to confuse people....most people are not like you and just drive around and know every turn in the trail some come from far away and never been to the area...55 is the speed limit up there and that deserves signage to safely run trails at 55...you do know there is a speed limit in Mich right?
see what you did Dave B??added nothing again thats what you do add nothing and start internet fights...only little kids do that Dave B.....Dave you need to take a deep breath and step away from this thread your the reason this got off track i have no isue talking about this untill someone like you adds nothing then insult people for there belifes and that is just sad Dave B so i will ask you "just like I did in a pvt msg" please if you have nothing to add just dont say anything your doing this site no good.....
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Firecatguy
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this comment worry me... I sorry lenny I thought debate was 2 sides not your side and the meaningless side....funny how you move there and now tell people they should stay away.....the tree huggers do that too
Firecatguy
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I have spent most of my life looking at and evaluating data. I found one thing the end number in data is not the answer.... You must know and evaluate how the data was gathered and what effected the data. If you are willing to use data to your advantage you are cheating the outcome! The DNR data is good but not the answer in itself!
polarisrider1
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