Legal Weed in Michigan

[kwikgren]

Its the end of the world.

The reality is that most snowmobiling fatalities are due to excessive speed and/or failure to safely negotiate road crossings, with or without being intoxicated. Personally, I don't want to be so wasted on anything that I'm not sharp in case of an emergency, even when I'm not driving. Also, as I driver, I try to remind myself to slow down for trail crossings so riders can see you rather than speed up to prevent them from pulling in front of you like some drivers will do. Unfortunately, drug abuse, (especially alcohol), is still a huge problem here in Upper Michigan (and nationwide I would guess) and a leading cause of accidents and crimes such as vandalism and theft. Just because you have the freedom to be stupid doesn't mean that you have to be.

 

[mrbb]

Its the end of the world.

The reality is that most snowmobiling fatalities are due to excessive speed and/or failure to safely negotiate road crossings, with or without being intoxicated. Personally, I don't want to be so wasted on anything that I'm not sharp in case of an emergency, even when I'm not driving. Also, as I driver, I try to remind myself to slow down for trail crossings so riders can see you rather than speed up to prevent them from pulling in front of you like some drivers will do. Unfortunately, drug abuse, (especially alcohol), is still a huge problem here in Upper Michigan (and nationwide I would guess) and a leading cause of accidents and crimes such as vandalism and theft. Just because you have the freedom to be stupid doesn't mean that you have to be.[/QUOTEl

I agree with you, but I think the problems isn;t folks are willingly .knowingly getting to the point there NOT making good decisions behind the wheel
I think what tends to happen is they THINK there OK< and stop drinking or?? at "X" point, but then after a little time goes by the booze kicks in stronger than expected and they don't realize it, OR just feel there OK and then drive, and THAT"S When they bad decision surfaces and or accident happens from having too much of "X in there system
I am sure there are some that simply DON"T care and go over consume and still don;t care and get behind the wheel, BUT I'd bet more folks ain't this way anymore
they just underestimate how much they have in there system and how it effects there judgement

that's the problem, there is NO real method that makes folks that consume drugs or alcohol safe to KNOW for sure your OK, unless you go super mild
as 1 beer have zero effect on one person, yet someone else it MAY
increase the amounts, and everyone handles it differently
same with HOW fast it effects people
I don't have the answer here, so don;t think I do

but allowing more folks access to a drug, I don't see HOW that logic can transfer to less problems and accidents
its a LOT harder to detect a persons impairment IN FIELD with drug use, over alcohol use, which is a bigger concern to me!, plus I believe dope stays in system longer and as such when you ADD more to what is IN your system, I think you can have higher effects from mixing!

and IMO they will need to invent a breath box for dope , for in field testing drivers at check stations and or when being stopped,a s of now, they DON"T have the means !
minus basic eye tests, but that doesn't say at what limit your impaired or under the influence!

 

[xsledder]

I can't stand people who think stoned drivers are safer drivers than drunk drivers. The force a car or snowmobile can produce is F=ma. F=ma does not adjust for drunk, stoned, stupid or sober drivers. F=ma is always F=ma. A heavier car traveling slow (stoned) can have the same F=ma as a lighter car traveling fast (stupid). F is dependent on m and a. Different combinations of m and a can equal the same F. The human body can handle so much F before it is killed. So if a slow stoned driver hits a human with more F than the human body can handle, dead human. The only mechanism to reduce F=ma in the car is the brake. Every car on the road has a brake on each wheel. When traveling you are always covering x amount of distance over a change in time. Therefore, for every speed you travel x distance during any given second, minute or hour. The ability to come to a safe stop depends on the human's reaction time. Sober humans have the fastest reaction time. Therefore, the distance they travel to actuate the brake will be less than a stoned or drunk driver. So, the sooner the brakes actuates, the lower the F will be when striking an object. It is a proven fact that any amount of alcohol, pot, etc. reduces the reaction time of humans, and depending on the speed of the car or sled, 10's to 100's of feet can be traversed in a fraction of a second. That very very little bit of distance can mean the difference between life and death for the unfortunate victim. Lesson, no amount of any substance is okay in a human body when operating a moving vehicle. Hence, all the warning labels that stupid people don't adhere too.

Also, I do take it personally considering my family and I was hit by a drunk driver and sent to the hospital. Yes, we are okay but that does not excuse the act. At least we put his *** in jail for a while.

 

[frnash]

"… The force a car or snowmobile can produce is F=ma. …"

So Force(F) = mass(m) * acceleration(a).

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Newton's laws of motion:
Second law: In an inertial frame of reference, the vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration a of the object: F = ma.
(It is assumed here that the mass m is constant.)

The pound (lb) is a unit of both mass and force, used mainly in the United States (about 0.45 kg or 4.5 Newtons (N).

Inertial mass is a measure of an object's resistance to acceleration when a force is applied.

Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity of an object with respect to time.

Acceleration has the dimensions of velocity divided by time, (i.e. ft/s[SUP][SUB]2[/SUB][/SUP]).

So, for a vehicle (car, snowmobile, etc.) traveling at a constant speed in a straight line[SUP]1[/SUP] (i.e. not accelerating), then regardless of its mass, since its acceleration is zero[SUP]2[/SUP]:

Force(F) = mass(m)*acceleration(a) = mass*0 = zero.

Ergo, no acceleration = no force!

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( [SUP]1[/SUP] Thus avoiding the issue of centripetal acceleration. — In uniform circular motion, that is moving with constant speed along a circular path, a particle experiences an acceleration resulting from the change of the direction of the velocity vector, while its magnitude remains constant.)

( [SUP]2[/SUP] Ignoring the acceleration due to gravity — which would yield a downward force).

 

[kwikgren]

It's not the speed, it's the sudden stop.

But, in most cases, the higher the rate of speed the increased risk of stopping suddenly and the greater the consequences if you do.

 

[tealracing16]

Frnash you forgot that when it hits something it's acceleration becomes a large number in the negative direction.

You are incorrect, a car floating down the highway does have forces acting on it. Even tho they are rather minor they are there. Air friction, rolling resistance, friction from the brakes and other mechanical resistances. Hence why you can't shut your car off and cruise for 50 miles.

 

[durphee]

Just a question: Most of the people that are excited about legal marijuana are already smoking it up now, but how many non users will start. And on what frequency? I teach at a college and I asked my students. I was surprised that the majority of the non smokers had little interest in trying legal marijuana or stated they would partake maybe once or twice....or very infrequently....and you would be surprised at how honest and forthcoming the students can be. What do you guys think?

 

[chords]

Being that its available now on the streets and already has been legal if you're willing to pay the annual cost of a card to buy at a provision center (pot store) I don't see an increase or change other than a few wanting to try it. Again either you do or don't.

 

[G]

Just a question: Most of the people that are excited about legal marijuana are already smoking it up now, but how many non users will start. And on what frequency? I teach at a college and I asked my students. I was surprised that the majority of the non smokers had little interest in trying legal marijuana or stated they would partake maybe once or twice....or very infrequently....and you would be surprised at how honest and forthcoming the students can be. What do you guys think?

Today's college students don't seem too interested in much of anything at all.

 

[old abe]

Today's college students don't seem too interested in much of anything at all.

Seems they're into the new odd ball flavored hard liquor???

 

[snobuilder]

Just a question: Most of the people that are excited about legal marijuana are already smoking it up now, but how many non users will start. And on what frequency? I teach at a college and I asked my students. I was surprised that the majority of the non smokers had little interest in trying legal marijuana or stated they would partake maybe once or twice....or very infrequently....and you would be surprised at how honest and forthcoming the students can be. What do you guys think?

These so called non smokers that might consider trying it already have......drop the gates and lets see what happens?....in the big picture scheme we will either get more responsible citizens, or less responsible citizens....will more citizens want a hand out or a hand up?

I just wish that Trump would move to CO. and start "smoking up" so that an in depth investigation on it's effect would be discovered and then be made newsworthy.

 

[dcsnomo]

The issue is whether or not what we are doing is working. The US spends $16 billion dollars per year for incarceration of marijuana offenses. Nixon declared a war on drugs in June 1971, since then we have spent over $1 trillion fighting that war, with little to show for it. Recognizing the danger of heroin, meth, and other killer drugs, one has to question why we spend the money to arrest and convict low level marijuana crimes at the rate of 1 per minute while the rate of adults having tried weed has grown from 11% to 38% from the time the war on drugs was started. We now have the highest incarceration rate in the world with over 2 million inmates, and according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons 50.1% of prisoners are drug crimes, and 27% of those are marijuana related.

Whether you are for or against marijuana, spending that much money while useage rates have tripled over 40 years makes no sense. It isn't working. We have filled prisons, destroyed families, and created illegal drug cartels with their own violent crimes ruining their own countries for a product that 56% of Americans think is socially acceptable.

As a taxpayer what I see is billions of dollars wasted that could have been spent on schools or lead free water in Flint. Furthermore, if we can turn that expense into an income stream that can be used for the public good then as a society we would be foolish not to.

 

[mezz]

Amen.-Mezz

 

[snobuilder]

The issue is whether or not what we are doing is working. The US spends $16 billion dollars per year for incarceration of marijuana offenses. Nixon declared a war on drugs in June 1971, since then we have spent over $1 trillion fighting that war, with little to show for it. Recognizing the danger of heroin, meth, and other killer drugs, one has to question why we spend the money to arrest and convict low level marijuana crimes at the rate of 1 per minute while the rate of adults having tried weed has grown from 11% to 38% from the time the war on drugs was started. We now have the highest incarceration rate in the world with over 2 million inmates, and according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons 50.1% of prisoners are drug crimes, and 27% of those are marijuana related.

Whether you are for or against marijuana, spending that much money while useage rates have tripled over 40 years makes no sense. It isn't working. We have filled prisons, destroyed families, and created illegal drug cartels with their own violent crimes ruining their own countries for a product that 56% of Americans think is socially acceptable.

As a taxpayer what I see is billions of dollars wasted that could have been spent on schools or lead free water in Flint. Furthermore, if we can turn that expense into an income stream that can be used for the public good then as a society we would be foolish not to.

I love the logic of potheads and your method of making it sound like millions are being incarcerated for smoking a joint....LMAO...
And I'd place a large wager on flint having millions available to provide clean water for their residents.....The problem stems from These big effed up rat hole cities are ALL RUN BY DEMS!

 

[mrbb]

The issue is whether or not what we are doing is working. The US spends $16 billion dollars per year for incarceration of marijuana offenses. Nixon declared a war on drugs in June 1971, since then we have spent over $1 trillion fighting that war, with little to show for it. Recognizing the danger of heroin, meth, and other killer drugs, one has to question why we spend the money to arrest and convict low level marijuana crimes at the rate of 1 per minute while the rate of adults having tried weed has grown from 11% to 38% from the time the war on drugs was started. We now have the highest incarceration rate in the world with over 2 million inmates, and according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons 50.1% of prisoners are drug crimes, and 27% of those are marijuana related.

Whether you are for or against marijuana, spending that much money while useage rates have tripled over 40 years makes no sense. It isn't working. We have filled prisons, destroyed families, and created illegal drug cartels with their own violent crimes ruining their own countries for a product that 56% of Americans think is socially acceptable.

As a taxpayer what I see is billions of dollars wasted that could have been spent on schools or lead free water in Flint. Furthermore, if we can turn that expense into an income stream that can be used for the public good then as a society we would be foolish not to.

I love how you blame folks lives and family's lives being ruined, as if someone MADE them do something illegal? and that putting law breakers on jail is BAD!
I don't get this logic at all

if YOU break a law, what should happen NOTHING< wouldnl;t that defeat the reason we have laws?

IF SO many folks DON"T liek a law, they should unite and try and get said law changed
NOT just break em at will cause they DON"T agree with them!

IF there lives ort family's live's get ruins, it cause THEY made the decision to break the law
just think about HOW many get awya with it and DON"T get caught too
IF they all stood up to fight for a change over just breaking pre existing laws>
YES there are those that do stand up
and that IS why its being legal in some places

but never blame anyone for consequences of a crime you committed
I just I hate that excuse, a what happen to being responsible for one's actions?
or doesn't that matter anymore. in a world where everything seems to ALWAYS be someone else's fault!

IMO< personally, I think the bigger problem is, the FACT, that SO many folks seem to feel such a strong desire for DRUGS period, be it pot, or??

something is seriously wrong with society, when so many search a way to get relief from it and are willing to risk going to jail and worse for it!

making drugs more easily accessible I cannot see how that solves any problems here at all, and will only make for larger problems in the long run IMO

 

[cobalt_502]

The issue is whether or not what we are doing is working. The US spends $16 billion dollars per year for incarceration of marijuana offenses. Nixon declared a war on drugs in June 1971, since then we have spent over $1 trillion fighting that war, with little to show for it. Recognizing the danger of heroin, meth, and other killer drugs, one has to question why we spend the money to arrest and convict low level marijuana crimes at the rate of 1 per minute while the rate of adults having tried weed has grown from 11% to 38% from the time the war on drugs was started. We now have the highest incarceration rate in the world with over 2 million inmates, and according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons 50.1% of prisoners are drug crimes, and 27% of those are marijuana related.

Whether you are for or against marijuana, spending that much money while useage rates have tripled over 40 years makes no sense. It isn't working. We have filled prisons, destroyed families, and created illegal drug cartels with their own violent crimes ruining their own countries for a product that 56% of Americans think is socially acceptable.

As a taxpayer what I see is billions of dollars wasted that could have been spent on schools or lead free water in Flint. Furthermore, if we can turn that expense into an income stream that can be used for the public good then as a society we would be foolish not to.

I would say you are 100% correct!

 

[whitedust]

National poll has legalization at 62% so it’s going to happen sooner than you may think. MA just had first recreational purchases yesterday at dispensaries. All the naysayers can resist but you are on the minority side of legalization. Get used to legal forms or marijuana it’s a coming to a state near you.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

Great....1st it's pot, then it'll be hashish, then opium, and cocaine, and heroin. It's the disease of incrementalization.
Drugged up society - we'll have to double law enforcement and mental hospitals to process all the looney-tunes.

Note: Post just below me.....LMAO! 2nd post below me....perfect example of anecdotal evidence...'didn't effect me on the job in the factory, so everyone else will be fine under the influence too'.

 

[G]

OK then lets legallize weed to free up some jail space. That seems to be a big issue. Hitler's troops used amphetamines to keep them awake and fighting. So I guess that makes amphetamines useful. We should legalize them too. More jail space freed up. There are some people that deserve to be killed. Ask some divorced people about this. Anybody in jail that has killed anybody else but has a good reason for doing so can go home. More jail space freed up. Soon nothing will be illegal. But then we won't need lawyers anymore. So I guess we are headed in the right direction.

 

[slimcake]

I don't normally say this but you guys are making this into a much bigger deal than it actually is. As was stated the peeps that partake have been partaking before it was legal. The sky wasn't failing then and won't be once it is legal. Its pretty harmless really. I used to smoke and enjoyed it. Just grew out of it. I could function just fine after burning one and know plenty of people with good jobs and successful careers that partake. Is there a flip side to that? Of course. But there is no way it will have the detrimental effect that alcohol has had.