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momoney2123
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if thats what u want to call hahaha.
After ONE week, in my short life I have learned to take the glass half full approach instead of being pessimistic. I still remember when the bills beat the patriots like 31-0 on opening day. New england won the super bowl that year. Now if after 4 or 5 weeks they are still playing bad, then you can call a spade a spade. Way to early yet.
I judge things via performance & don't see very good Bear team performance in preseason & season. However I do believe in 2nd chances & improvement so hopefully the Bear team & coaches will play & coach much better on Sunday night. A 0-4 start would be difficult to overcome for a playoff spot..... next few games will define the season for the DA Bears.
momoney2123
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[QU OTE=whitedust;375965]I judge things via performance & don't see very good Bear team performance in preseason & season. However I do believe in 2nd chances & improvement so hopefully the Bear team & coaches will play & coach much better on Sunday night. A 0-4 start would be difficult to overcome for a playoff spot..... next few games will define the season for the DA Bears.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if they are 0-4 they are pretty much done. Win or lose they need a good showing and a huge improvement in play all the way around. Jay needs to play the same as he completed almost 70% on 49 attempts,minus the big mistake, hope the WRs play whole game, sounds like they will start. One side note is the line movement, the line opened at niners -7 and is now 6.5. Given the trends are favoring the niners this line should have went up vs down. Its like vegas is inviting a niners bet. AkA the sucker bet. Last week everyone in vegas bet the bears and every analyst in the world picked the bears. This week complete opposite. Ikno we will move the ball and score points, just hope we can make sum plays on D.
I agree, if they are 0-4 they are pretty much done. Win or lose they need a good showing and a huge improvement in play all the way around. Jay needs to play the same as he completed almost 70% on 49 attempts,minus the big mistake, hope the WRs play whole game, sounds like they will start. One side note is the line movement, the line opened at niners -7 and is now 6.5. Given the trends are favoring the niners this line should have went up vs down. Its like vegas is inviting a niners bet. AkA the sucker bet. Last week everyone in vegas bet the bears and every analyst in the world picked the bears. This week complete opposite. Ikno we will move the ball and score points, just hope we can make sum plays on D.
I don't agree with it all but a good sarcastic read on Cutler. Good points on what the Bears have done to make it just right for him.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-never-just-right
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-never-just-right
momoney2123
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this got torn apart this morning by mike and mike, if he has a bad SEASON instead of 1 bad play, I would say he is what he is. But that guy makes it sound like jay is controlling the organizational moves like coaching changes and personal choices. Complete idiocracy. The line and wideouts didnt play the whole game last week, especially when it mattered. I believe in jay and think he has changed for the better after having kids, being married, but will re evaluate my feeling after the season is in the books.
Cutler has never had a breakout season, this is not his first year. His career rating is 84.6. Rogers is 104.7, Brady is 95.5, and on and on. But, Cutler is the 7th highest paid QB in the league. So, one would assume, over a period of time, that performance and salary should kinda go together. Not every week, maybe not every year (Eli for example). Cutler makes $18 million a year. If you look at the top 20 non rookie quarterbacks in the NFL and you equate salary to performance, (pay based upon results) Cutler is the most overpaid of them all, and should receive a 37% pay cut. Stated differently, he is overpaid by $6.7MM. http://overthecap.com/looking-sandoespn-qb-rankings-salary-perspective/
Tony Romo makes the same amount of money as Cutler, his rating is 95.4. At the same salary Cutler is 11% worse than Romo. The issue with Cutler is that he just doesn't justify the money. He's been in the league 9 years and has never rated above 90. He has one playoff win. So does Romo. This is interesting...http://espn.go.com/dallas/hot/?id=8426380.
Cutler makes 28.5% more than Brady, he ain't that good. After 9 seasons in the league he hasn't shown to be a team leader or a breakout performer. He might have a good season one of these years, but I doubt he will be the foundation of a dynasty
highhertel
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What a week of embarrassing news for the NFL. Rice, Peterson, now Jay Cutler arrested for impersonating a QB.
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hemi_newman
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Bye bye Peterson,Vikings are toast now...but Im sure he has enough money to pay off the Jury and Judge.http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11514522/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-indicted-child-case
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Vikes were toast before yesterday. It is a passing league anyway. RB's on their way out. Especially ones who can't block or catch a pass. His best days were behind him anyway.
IDK the public pressure is HUGE right now so league can't pull back now after Rice! I know these guys did illegal acts but they do have the right to work at least eventually or until due process is complete. Could be many many player /league /team labor lawsuits not sure the league or owners can do what they are doing??.....these players have access to huge money & union the lawyers have to be licking their chops. What a mess ! IMO
But you are overlooking something. These players are under contract, they have agreed to the terms of the contract. In an NFL contract there is a Personal Conduct Policy which applies to all employees of the League. By signing this the employee has given up right to work and due process, and has agreed to allow the Commissioner to decide his fate.
Here is an excerpt:
STANDARD OF CONDUCT
While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:
Criminal offenses including, but not limited to, those involving:
The use or threat of violence; domestic violence and other forms of partner abuse; theft and other property crimes; sex offenses; obstruction or resisting arrest; disorderly conduct; fraud; racketeering; and money laundering;
Criminal offenses relating to steroids and prohibited substances, or substances of abuse;
Violent or threatening behavior among employees, whether in or outside the workplace;
Possession of a gun or other weapon in any workplace setting, including but not limited to stadiums, team facilities, training camp, locker rooms, team planes,
buses, parking lots, etc., or unlawful possession of a weapon outside of the workplace;
Conduct that imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person; and
Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players
Clearly a left hook across the jaw of your fiancee violates the domestic violence statement.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21598/nfl-personal-conduct-policy
You should not take my statement as defending anything Mr Rice did or did not do the video is hardcore abuse for sure. I'm just thinking of the days of Broadway Joe love & leave em is way too risky to conduct life as a fun loving ladies man of the nfl. She said, whomever she may be, that he did whomever he maybe, anything in the gray of the nfl code of conduct & he is off the team & out of a job. No 2nd chances your gone lacks due process IMO & seems disorganized & maybe unjust in case by case basis. Has to be some group of peers that make that call not sure what that would be?..... but case in point the commish can't make a call on himself about his conduct in the Rice case has to be made by someone else or another group of peers. The nfl conduct system needs to be evaluated & overhauled just catch as catch can now.... too many holes & seems it could be unjust without due process and long overdue to be more formal & organized.
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Just to play the devils advocate here - first on the Rice deal, the woman was reportedly drunk. The elevator footage is not exactly Hollywood. How are we to know it the punch connected or she just passed out? All sides have admitted she was seriously drunk. On the Peterson deal how are we to know how many of the injuries were due to roughhousing with his buddies before Peterson ever was on the scene? A second year law student would be able to throw enough doubt on either of these cases to throw them both out. I do not endorse either of these incidents but both are incredibly overblown. The media is not happy with controlling the election process - now they want to invade the NFL.
The other problem I have is how is the nfl helping Mr Rice & Mr Peterson to be better people? They are paid for smashmouth football 7 days a week & may have off the field adjustment problems to regular life.....violence breeds more violence. Difficult to think you are paid & encouraged to run angry 7 workdays & be a pussycat at home.....it has to bleed over into your personal life. Bad behavior has no excuse we all have to control our emotions but football is a super violent sport & it maybe difficult to turn that bada$$ attitude on & off. Just sayin if your going to punish you need to help rehabilitate as well & offer 2nd chances to correct the problem.
Nope. She didn't pass out. She was knocked unconscious by a punch thrown by Rice. He then dragged her unconscious body out into the hallway with her skirt pulled up to her waist and left her laying there. If my GF passed out I would try to catch her, help her up, and call for medical assistance. The discussion is not whether or not he did it, the discussion is about what should the NFL and New Jersey do about it.
Peterson's kid did not have roughhousing bumps and bruises. He was beaten with a switch. Peterson has admitted to doing it.
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Boy, you are spot on there.
srt20
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These are grown men making millions of dollars. It's time to start acting like grown men.
If I get into a car accident and blow a .10 BAC, should the bar I drank at offer alcohol counseling for me?
It's nobody's fault but their own for their actions. And as grown adults, it's also their own responsibility to make the corrections for their actions.